I agree with Sun Shine Girl about the attitude as an employee toward your boss. The boss is always right. As an employee, you should always put company first and work first. My tip to deal with the situation: -1499728inc(bank) @巴尔的摩华人论坛:巴尔的摩枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Baltimore

工作学习 / 事业与工作 / 落地TORONTO已经一年了,看看我都得到了什么样的 "CANADIAN EXPERIENCE" -flyerabc(flyerabc); 2002-7-16 {4168} (#640436@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1. Landed in July last year, two months later, knew about NOW programe which can gave professional new immigrants "canadian experience", so excited, called for more information, was told that I had to provide LINC assessment document to prove my English lever is above 6, hesitate but decided finally to obey this regulation(wait another two months to get LINC assessment result), then , returned to register meanwhile saw
other persons register this programe directly without LINC document.
Asked these persons curiously, was told that called the receptionist as many times as possible and probably you would get a chance when the staff was in a good mood, that's it!
The first canadian experience i got: if someone tells you there is a regulation here,don't trust him/her at all, persistent in breaking it, you will get what you want finally.

2)Another three months later, I got the interview to attend the NOW program, talked with interviewer very well,she said" you have good english and wonderful skills, we won't miss you in Canada, you can get
results after a couple of days." so,called after two days to follow up the status,knew although i was selected, i have to wait another four months
to take part in because too many people there, was angry but try my best to understand this matter, waited another four months honestly, attended the class in June, there was a lady to introduce her experience, said she landed in Toronto in March this year, registered without LINC assessment and attended the NOW program in May because there was a space at that time. I was stuned, there is a space for persons who registered later,there is no space for persons who have been waiting for several months?what's wrong with me?

Experience: Honest means nothing here but losing something. No fighting, No right!

3)Fortunately,I got volunteer placement after class, during interview, the
boss(chinese young guy) told me there are 5 employees in his company,one of them is a senior QA, excited again, because do want to
learn something from a experienced one. began my work from July,2nd, after two days, found nobody except the boss, asked him where the senior QA is? took another young guy for me, asked this guy to know that he was a part-time programmer here, confused but still continued to report bugs every day,after one module test(found almost 30
bugs one week), boss gave me oral promise that he can give me a contract job after this month, excited the third time. After two days,one night,he said my bug report was bad, at that time, it was over 9:00 pm, i was tired and i had to go home because this is the maintain phase,there is no deadline of this project, he preferred me to stay there untill midnight to help him to fix the bugs, i promised him to rewrite this tomorrow, i couldn't realize this would be the reason for him to stop my work. Tomorrow, my co-op teacher called me , said the boss called him to stop the work placement because my english is too bad, i wrote weird words which he couldn't understand. i asked the boss to tell me the truth instead of an excuse because i don't think my english is so bad, he answered" i am the boss, i have right to select the person i want to stay with", i said nothing but leaving.Before this, someone told me that you should try your best to let everybody love you during the co-op period, so, even if there is no chance, they would creat a chance for you, i laughed at this view, dreamed to get job by my abilities, what can i get? nothing! how stupid I am!

The third tip: open your eyes and use your brain during the interview and first day when you got there, don't go to a small company(less than 10 persons ) unless you have no choice

The fourth one: For a male, it is enough to be neither arrogant nor groveling, but for a female, it's not enough, pls,keep smiling, no matter how serious the circumstance is,please, show your soft skills First, work
ability? it is just for reference. trust me!

尾声:仅借此篇献给坛子和我一样经常困惑,徘徊于诱惑和道德之间的JJMM们,顺便谢谢曾经给过我帮助的DX(风筝JJ,江山,LUMLUM),可惜,我实在不争气,到现在也没找到工作.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

Great! Good luck~~~! -henhen(哼哼~~,找工ing~~~~); 2002-7-16 (#640444@0)
你英语确实有点问题,虽然写了很多, 但是毛病也不少 -netant(网蚁); 2002-7-16 (#640500@0)

只要不是做文秘的，英语能让人明白就行了，就怕说了半天，让洋人直说：“爬顿”，那就麻烦了。 -biosfix(BIOSXP.COM); 2002-7-16 (#640550@0)

找到工作很重要, 但不是生活的全部. 所以不能以此一项否定所有其他的, 随便举个例子, 你的英文进步很大啊...... -beautiful-life(爱江山也爱美人); 2002-7-16 (#640515@0)
Sign... Sign again! My LD had the similar experience as you. Struggle to the last minute, you will not be unlucky always. -fox69(fox); 2002-7-16 (#640530@0)
Quote: "canadian experience i got: if someone tells you there is a regulation here,don't trust him/her at all, persistent in breaking it, you will get what you want finally." -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-7-16 {376} (#640536@0)
1) "canadian experience i got: if someone tells you there is a regulation here,don't trust him/her at all, persistent in breaking it, you will get what you want finally." 本主席当场昏倒,

2) "Experience: Honest means nothing here but losing something.", 在次昏倒

3)"don't go to a small company(less than 10 persons ) unless you have no choice"
没有办法, 再次佩服

啧啧，猪主席身体太差了，退位让贤，休养休养吧。^O^ -pingle(pingle); 2002-7-17 (#641400@0)

心态不好 -white(white); 2002-7-16 {185} (#640538@0)
1，2：你觉得按规矩办事吃了亏。你真的吃亏了吗? 只不过是少数人或投机取巧或运气得了便宜。
3。这年头IT指望Volunteer找工作,还是报着死马当作活马医的心态好。
过段时间，你一定会有不同的结论。

agree. -lilyba(Sunshine); 2002-7-16 (#640541@0)

为什么不用中文写，看起来真累。btw,这种无主语的句法是不是本地人的风格？ -simonxf(初为人父,焦头烂额ing); 2002-7-16 (#640540@0)

扣什么帽子? -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-7-16 {74} (#640545@0)
"为什么不用中文写，看起来真累。btw,这种无主语的句法是不是新仪民的风格？"

扣什么帽子? -simonxf(初为人父,焦头烂额ing); 2002-7-16 {38} (#640559@0)
只是谈谈的感受。确实费了很大力才读完。

同意, 主席阅... -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-7-16 (#640564@0)

你一下看出问题，我也觉的有些别扭。 -guest1(guest); 2002-7-20 {247} (#647763@0)
我在公司写东西时，有个别句子没主语，西人帮我加上，中国人容易犯这样的错误。
比如， no need to do sth.
该为， there is no need to do sth.
学英语和做人一样，要老老实实。有时不是不知道，是偷懒。在水平还不够高的情况下，还是把每句话写完整的好。

three months later, called manager, said I want the shit(sheet0, said go to the toilet, ...., 看上去象ITALIAN的话... -playtiger(小皮皮猪的㊣迷踪拳师); 2002-7-16 (#640582@0)
9:00pm is not too later. if i were you, i would stay till midnight. people ask you to help because you have value. but you disappointed him. -flyingpig(会跳水的猪); 2002-7-16 (#640584@0)

让女孩子工作到半夜？并且不付工资！这是什么样的老板呀！ -rollor(Rollor); 2002-7-17 (#641448@0)

就是，不会是想图谋不轨吧？ -iceman(菊花古剑和酒); 2002-7-17 (#641468@0)

你们两个怎么回事？难道让男员工工作到半夜，就可以不付工资吗？太不严谨了！//ice han，你咋改成这样一个古朴雅致的名字了？还是改成“篱笆女人和狗”吧，这样顺嘴且好记。:)) -pingle(pingle); 2002-7-17 (#641505@0)

那你可以改成“辘轳女人和井”以遥相呼应。:D -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-7-17 (#641530@0)

hahaha....你们俩真逗！ -iceman(菊花古剑和酒); 2002-7-17 (#641883@0)

Some co-op jobs just like a piece of shit packed in a beautiful box with a 'HOPE' mark. -yfy_ca(老肯); 2002-7-16 {511} (#640983@0)
but you need time to check it out. after u know it is just a shit ,even it is a canadian shit with a 'hope' mark,but not different with other shits you ever seen in china. Anyway, don't speak out. they will laugh at u and make you confused. Maybe you will doubt your ability of identifing a shit.

想用e文幽它一默，却又语病多多，那位高手把我的意思再表述一下？

我想说的是，多伦多除了像slimpiggy这样的有痔豪猪以外，不可否认还是有不少周扒皮的。
那位有以上两种ren各占多少的百分比数据，拿出来share一下。
Sounds terrible, hope you will get the luck soon after so much pain... -cph(Maersk); 2002-7-17 (#641421@0)
你的英语很好。虽然有点不太地道，但远不至于会因此而丢掉工作。你的第一个教训非常有用，第二、三个也很有用。第四个不知道。 -rollor(Rollor); 2002-7-17 (#641444@0)
文章写的不坏，继续努力学习！ -winny(winny); 2002-7-17 (#641488@0)
你的问题是太相信加拿大社会的秩序了。凡是官方或半官方的机构，你不催，他们就会给你慢慢拖着。你催得紧，他们就会快点给你办。什么regulation，他们根本不care。 -goodbye(古德白); 2002-7-17 (#641540@0)
小声的问一句：NOW在什么地方注册上课呀，谢谢 -hugefox(长得象熊的狐狸); 2002-7-17 (#641545@0)

NOW 的信息及对众DX的感谢 -flyerabc(flyerabc); 2002-7-18 {271} (#644443@0)
1) NOW PROGRAM　（ＦＯＲ　ＢＥＡＲ？ＦＯＸ！）
TEL: 416-393-0350
ADDRESS: 777 BLOOR WEST, (CHRISTIE SUBWAY)
PROCEDURE: LINC 6->听力测试->等排期.（祝好运）

2)谢谢大家，我现在刚上网看到反应，我气劲儿也过去了，气也没辙儿，只有继续努力！顺祝大家都好！！

Thanks a lot. -hugefox(长得象熊的狐狸); 2002-7-18 (#644476@0)
想问问now的找到placement概率有多少，有多少人留下得到工作了，特别是IT. 你是什么时候上的now program?老师讲课讲得怎样？ -tracyd(tracy); 2002-7-18 (#644646@0)

more informaion of NOW program , just individuals opinion (excuse me because i can't input chinese right now) -flyerabc(flyerabc); 2002-7-19 {1286} (#645732@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Let me answer your questions about NOW program one by one
1) I attended NOW program in June.

2) There are 22 persons in my class, 10 of them are IT persons.
After class, 8 IT persons found the volunteer placement.

3) So far, I haven’t got any good news from them that they are probably to be hired, but maybe it will take longer time to know the final results.

4) To be honest, I don’t think there is a difference between NOW program and other workshops, but the only thing I am really interested in is that they provide volunteer placement after class, this is unique.

5) I heard that there is a co-op program in Mississauga, it is said they have better results than NOW program, but the duration of volunteer placement is 3 months instead of 1 month, I am scared of this, for IT people (especially for programmer or test engineer), 3 months volunteer means you can almost finish a project for free, just want to get a reference letter? I can’t believe this. Besides, I am tired of this competition (For example, if you can do this 10 bucks/hour, so I can do this 8 dollars/hour), I don’t think it’s fair, that’s why I quit from this competition.

If you would like to know some more information, Contact me freely.
your interest will be appreciated.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

Keep on trying -wqian1971(prettygirl); 2002-7-19 {129} (#646180@0)
Take care of yourself. Everything will be OK. Trust yourself and find your own way.
Opportunities are everywhere, not just in IT

Thanks! you too, have a nice weekend. -flyerabc(flyerabc); 2002-7-19 (#646404@0)

想yorkdale的学校如何？听说是多伦多co-op较好的。 -burtonli(妙妙龙); 2002-12-4 (#894810@0)

请问如何联系该学校呢?能介绍一下情况吗? -cx230138(陈小二); 2002-12-7 (#898955@0)

hi, i am interested in your topics. How can i contact you directly? my telephone is 416-462-1524. thanks a million. -lqccb(hihi); 2002-12-5 (#896206@0)

我知道我们班有四个IT人士找到了 -liding_wang(无坚不摧大砍刀); 2002-7-22 {98} (#649415@0)
不算我，因为我做完Contract后现在又失业了。flyerabc妹妹的经验很有道理：不要找小公司，除非没的选择。

我根据你的经验得出的加拿大经验： -lilyba(Sunshine); 2002-7-17 {328} (#641565@0)
1。积极一些，persistent很重要。规矩是死的，人是活的。
2。你的第二条经验，和诚实并无关系，和幸运更有关系。平和的接受别人的幸运。
3。老板永远都是对的。个人的能力不仅包括业务上的能力，也包括了人际关系。
4。似乎加拿大，中国女移民更容易找到工作，说明soft skill很重要。在公司里积极主动灵活平和，女性更容易沟通。这是优势。同意你了。

第三条需修正，否则：1。boss永远是对的 2.周扒皮是boss,3。周扒皮永远是对的。 -yfy_ca(老肯); 2002-7-17 (#641579@0)

如果你给周扒皮做事的话，他就永远是对的。：）） -lilyba(Sunshine); 2002-7-17 (#641583@0)

如果他pay我的话，可以考虑。如果他叫我给他做free的co-op的话，换成你会不会鸟他？ -yfy_ca(老肯); 2002-7-17 (#641595@0)

周扒皮永远是对的 ...................ya, in canada! :-(( -babyface(★RAW RAW★); 2002-7-17 (#641604@0)

对这个女孩子的经验，并无攻击之意。只是想如果能改变心态，对个人发展更有利。 -lilyba(Sunshine); 2002-7-17 (#641596@0)

好的心态对个人发展有利，这话很对；但是她的negative心态绝对和她的negative经历有关。但是，就是要在这些negative经历后，保持一个好的心态。 -yfy_ca(老肯); 2002-7-17 {48} (#641618@0)
古人云：天将降大任于斯人也，必先give him a shit.

I agree with Sun Shine Girl about the attitude as an employee toward your boss. The boss is always right. As an employee, you should always put company first and work first. My tip to deal with the situation: -1499728inc(bank); 2002-12-5 {1729} (#895209@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛You are tired after working whole day. And the boss wouldn't let you go. Be honest to your boss and make an arrangement. For example, you can say something like these: "I am tired. I need something to eat. My eyes are sour, I need a nap. But I will be back in a hour or so." You will come back to get the job done no matter how late. You can take the next day off instead.

You need a strategy in dealing with the conflict. The company has work need to be done before deadline. On the other hand, you have the right to refuse to work overtime. Try to negotiate, be willing to compromise, and seeking alternative solutions. Do not just simply say NO. Even you really have to go, try to explain to your boss: "I am really tired. Even I stay here tonight, it wouldn't be very productive."

My last tip, but not less important tip, is to socialize with the people you work with, including your boss. Have a sense of humour. Say hi/good night to everyone you meet when you come and leave. Have a chat with the secretary in your break time. Go for a coffee, a puff, a lunch with your colleagues. If you are aware that someone is busy running into a deadline, come forward and offer your help. These are subtle things that have nothing to do with your professional qualification. But they reveal what kind of person you are. An excellent employee is the one who possesses both qualified professional skills and good personality, who cares about the company, the job, and the people around.

I declear that I condemn some Chinese, Indian, and other bad bosses who treat our new Chinese immigrants unfairly and unequally. These are some bad apples. But no matter whom you encounter, you should always stay a positive attitude.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

ROLIA上的英文帖子好的太少，读着读着就有改错的冲动，哎，累，累！还有这么多的同志跟帖，你们中有累的吗？ -man_gentle(man_gentle); 2002-7-19 (#645215@0)

浏览跟帖，发现有俺同感的知音一二，而叫好者众。Oh, God,God. Me see no good, they see good. This is good or bad? me say, you say, they say and all say. please say. -man_gentle(man_gentle); 2002-7-19 (#645272@0)

我感觉你在写歌词，老黑唱的那种。我没读完 -tuber(曹操); 2002-7-19 (#646717@0)
I can't agree more. -jz74(开心树叶); 2002-7-19 {687} (#646801@0)
I had worked 4 days for a small company two weeks ago, the boss promised me he would negotiate salary with me after first 2-weeks no salary trail.In the first week,I tried my best to help him get the job done.I think I can finish the project within two weeks. but I quickly found that he was taking advantage of me,so I decided to ask him for finishing the trail and giving me job offer. the reply was " wait". at the first weekend, he asked me overtime on Saturday, I refused. So when we discussd company document issues,he found an excuse and told me " you don't need to come again". I asked for 4 days allowance of ttc and lunch,he agreed. but I haven't got anything until now.

随便问一句：是华人公司吗？ -wooway(纯洁中文运动<加东区>); 2002-7-20 (#647198@0)

Yeah, how did you know that? anyway, take care of yourself -flyerabc(flyerabc); 2002-7-20 (#647497@0)

To jz74(开心树叶): 同是天涯沦落人, give us a lesson: watch out some small compnaies! -flyerabc(flyerabc); 2002-7-20 (#647506@0)

好像单口相声：-） -liding_wang(无坚不摧大砍刀); 2002-7-22 (#649413@0)
其实在哪里都一样：别在一棵树上吊死 -fanh(fanh); 2002-12-5 (#895612@0)
我的CO-OP公司老板就不错啊,也是一个少于10人的小公司.COOP结束后作了几个月的Contract,我再找工作时给我写了推荐信,做了很好的Reference. 不能一概而论. -mikesxf(家里家外忙前忙后ing.); 2002-12-5 (#895654@0)

补充:老板是Jew -mikesxf(家里家外忙前忙后ing.); 2002-12-5 (#895661@0)

In N.A., Jews love Chinese -huimin(huimin); 2002-12-6 (#896258@0)

你也能介绍一下你的过程吗?还有也告知我们如何联系及要求? 谢谢 -cx230138(陈小二); 2002-12-7 (#898950@0)

Coop is hard to do by yourself. you have to attend some job search program with coop. There's lots of them in GTA. Like Job star, NOW, yorkdale. I went derffrin-peel coop centre @ missauga. -mikesxf(家里家外忙前忙后ing.); 2002-12-7 (#899111@0)

He's a smart guy and know how to "use" me 100%, anyway, I am not idiot. I know how to "use" him and this opportunity to find me another job. -mikesxf(家里家外忙前忙后ing.); 2002-12-7 (#899109@0)

@Baltimore

I agree with Sun Shine Girl about the attitude as an employee toward your boss. The boss is always right. As an employee, you should always put company first and work first. My tip to deal with the situation:

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