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APPLICATION FOR P.ENG (2)

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I have to declare that all my advice is based on my own understanding and it’s better for you to double-check them through: www.peo.on.ca and any correction would be VERY MUCH appreciated.

STEP 1 GO TO PEO WEBSITE

Go to the above PEO website and click the icon ‘licensing and registration’, under this, you could find everything relating to applying for P.Eng. You could know the detailed requirement and you could also have a first look at what the application form looks like.

STEP 2 MAKE DECISION, GO OR NOT GO

After you read the contents about P.Eng application, you may have got some idea on what requirement is suitable to you, thinking of both the two aspects: academic and experience.

If you are a B.E or B.S (Master are not discussed here), have over 5 years experience in China (most of Chinese Non-It engineers satisfy this), you could possibly be entitled to an interview to confirm your academic level. In this case, if you pass it, you could be waived from some stupid confirmatory examinations. That would save you at least 2 years. If you have over 5 years previous experience, you are hopeful to get the license within 2 or 3 years if you pass the interview. So you can see, your only enemy is the INTERVIEW. It is not so difficult if you well-prepare it.

So far, have you determine that you would like to try? Yes! Ok. Go to the next step.

STEP 3 SELECTING YOUR REFERREE

As directed by the PEO website, you can e-mail to them to ask for an application form right now, or download it. But I would advise that you ask for a mailed form booklet and it is easy for you to fill in and it also looks decent and serious. If you ruined your mailed copy due to mistakes, just re-ask them to send another one. It’s free.

After you receive it, read the requirement all through the booklet and make sure you understand what information you need to fill in. As regard to your personal information, it’s a piece of cake. But you may frown when you turn the referee page. Don’t be so afraid on this. You can leave it blank if you have no job and really can not anybody could be referee for you. Don’t worry. As I said, you can update the information at any time when it changes. Just e-mail to your designated agent to update everything. You should know it would probably takes at least 1 year before they invite you to an interview and the information of referee only be used after you pass Professional Practice Examination.

If you are working in an engineering company, be brave to talk to your supervisor and tell him what you are going to do and what you expect him to do. If he is a P.Eng, it is easy for him to understand this and it is not possible for him to reject you. Then you get your first referee.

Then what about the other two? Maybe you are shy and not confident to talk to your colleague engineers to be your referee, Don’t worry, while you are talking to your supervisor, and he agrees to be your referee, do not off his room right away. Continue saying that as PEO’s requirement, I have to get three referees, could you please recommend some engineers here to be my referees? He would probably say: Maybe you could talk to AAA and BBB. And even further, he would lead you to their rooms and talked to them directly. If you are supposed to go by yourself, don’t be hesitate, just go and say it politely: I just talked to XXX (your supervisor) that I am applying for P.Eng. Would you like to be one of my referees? If he knows you well, and your supervisor’s signature is on your form, it would NOT be reasonable for him say ‘no’. So it is better for you to show them your form and let them to fill in their information in case they would deny later. It’s always wise to ask for two sets of forms and leave one set with your referee’s handwritings home.

If you only can find two referees, don’t worry; just leave one line blank temporarily. Things are getting better and you are getting to know more engineers, either from your colleague or your client and if it is the right time, just take out that handwriting form and ask them to be one. They would not so hesitate to sign their name when they see your supervisor has already signed. One year is not short to find other ones and you can update your referree information just by e-mail click.

Any questions about selecting referees? But be careful when you choose referees and try to establish good relationship with them. Appropriate compliments before and afterwards are always a effective way. Because when PEO send questionnaire to them about your experience and capability, their bad words will affect or destroy your efforts. So be careful they are nice person and have at least not bad relationship with you.

While you are trying to find somebody to be your referee, you can prepare your documentation requested as part of application at the same time. We are going to talk about this next.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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    • APPLICATION FOR P.ENG (1)
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      小飞侠
      Remember: First, you must be patient on the long way to go. The more difficult you get something; the more valuable it would be. Just consider that you invest your time and you would probably get good future as return. If you do not invest, the time still passed. It is also some kind of Guarantee that even if you were laid off from one company, you could jump to another easily with P.eng Title.

      When I was thinking applying for this, I persuaded my friend who was also a civil engineer before to send the application together with me. And he said he was told that it is very difficult to pass that INTERVIEW for immigrant engineers and it took at least 3 years to get the license, and even longer! I insisted to send mine while he did nothing. After I passed the interview, he regretted and started to apply for it this year. One year delayed…I am using this story just want to tell those non-IT engineer immigrants that you’d better apply as soon as possible, and you can update your information at anytime during the assessment. So you don’t need to get everything ready when you send the form off.

      I have a colleague from India, he send his application form 3 months after he landed(March, 2000), taking his friend’s advice. Actually, at that time, he didn’t have any referee at all, because he has no job. After he sent the application, he just use Engineer-in-Training /P.Eng is in application as the crown to get a lab staff job in an engineering company very quickly. He showed them the PEO’s letter/card for receiving his application, and the employer trusted him, why not? After half a year later he joined our company, to be a technician as start. He took the interview this March and passed it in June. He is going to write PPE this August. His process is a year longer than mine but anyway he is approaching to the goal.

      I give the above examples to encourage non-IT immigrant engineers to get your courage back. Nothing is impossible if you really do something. Not just hearing others stories..difficult? failed? Impossible? Trust yourself! If you never tried, how could you know what it would be taste to you?

      Another saying I would like to correct is “you only can apply after you get one year experience in Canada.” It is not true. When I was considering about application (3 months after I worked), my friend told me that I should wait till one year to start the application. I e-mailed to the agent of PEO and they encouraged me to apply as early as possible and I could benefit from the time saving on the process. The agent is right.

      Anyway, do something as start and follow direction step by step, that is the only way you could get to your destination.

      I don’t know what stages are you in? Already sent your application? If not, e-mail to the PEO agent right now. They will send you an application form 2 or 3 days later. Then if you have any specific question, do not hesitate to ask me. If you are preparing for interview, I will give you some introduction or if you need practice, I can practice with you to make you confident and comfortable.

      Never give up! Specific questions are welcome. My background is: B.Eng in China, Civil Engineering (Foundation/Geotechnical), Working in a consultant company as a lab/field data analyst at the beginning. No super, just do something and follow directions and well prepared at each stage. I can do this, you too.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • APPLICATION FOR P.ENG (2)
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      I have to declare that all my advice is based on my own understanding and it’s better for you to double-check them through: www.peo.on.ca and any correction would be VERY MUCH appreciated.

      STEP 1 GO TO PEO WEBSITE

      Go to the above PEO website and click the icon ‘licensing and registration’, under this, you could find everything relating to applying for P.Eng. You could know the detailed requirement and you could also have a first look at what the application form looks like.

      STEP 2 MAKE DECISION, GO OR NOT GO

      After you read the contents about P.Eng application, you may have got some idea on what requirement is suitable to you, thinking of both the two aspects: academic and experience.

      If you are a B.E or B.S (Master are not discussed here), have over 5 years experience in China (most of Chinese Non-It engineers satisfy this), you could possibly be entitled to an interview to confirm your academic level. In this case, if you pass it, you could be waived from some stupid confirmatory examinations. That would save you at least 2 years. If you have over 5 years previous experience, you are hopeful to get the license within 2 or 3 years if you pass the interview. So you can see, your only enemy is the INTERVIEW. It is not so difficult if you well-prepare it.

      So far, have you determine that you would like to try? Yes! Ok. Go to the next step.

      STEP 3 SELECTING YOUR REFERREE

      As directed by the PEO website, you can e-mail to them to ask for an application form right now, or download it. But I would advise that you ask for a mailed form booklet and it is easy for you to fill in and it also looks decent and serious. If you ruined your mailed copy due to mistakes, just re-ask them to send another one. It’s free.

      After you receive it, read the requirement all through the booklet and make sure you understand what information you need to fill in. As regard to your personal information, it’s a piece of cake. But you may frown when you turn the referee page. Don’t be so afraid on this. You can leave it blank if you have no job and really can not anybody could be referee for you. Don’t worry. As I said, you can update the information at any time when it changes. Just e-mail to your designated agent to update everything. You should know it would probably takes at least 1 year before they invite you to an interview and the information of referee only be used after you pass Professional Practice Examination.

      If you are working in an engineering company, be brave to talk to your supervisor and tell him what you are going to do and what you expect him to do. If he is a P.Eng, it is easy for him to understand this and it is not possible for him to reject you. Then you get your first referee.

      Then what about the other two? Maybe you are shy and not confident to talk to your colleague engineers to be your referee, Don’t worry, while you are talking to your supervisor, and he agrees to be your referee, do not off his room right away. Continue saying that as PEO’s requirement, I have to get three referees, could you please recommend some engineers here to be my referees? He would probably say: Maybe you could talk to AAA and BBB. And even further, he would lead you to their rooms and talked to them directly. If you are supposed to go by yourself, don’t be hesitate, just go and say it politely: I just talked to XXX (your supervisor) that I am applying for P.Eng. Would you like to be one of my referees? If he knows you well, and your supervisor’s signature is on your form, it would NOT be reasonable for him say ‘no’. So it is better for you to show them your form and let them to fill in their information in case they would deny later. It’s always wise to ask for two sets of forms and leave one set with your referee’s handwritings home.

      If you only can find two referees, don’t worry; just leave one line blank temporarily. Things are getting better and you are getting to know more engineers, either from your colleague or your client and if it is the right time, just take out that handwriting form and ask them to be one. They would not so hesitate to sign their name when they see your supervisor has already signed. One year is not short to find other ones and you can update your referree information just by e-mail click.

      Any questions about selecting referees? But be careful when you choose referees and try to establish good relationship with them. Appropriate compliments before and afterwards are always a effective way. Because when PEO send questionnaire to them about your experience and capability, their bad words will affect or destroy your efforts. So be careful they are nice person and have at least not bad relationship with you.

      While you are trying to find somebody to be your referee, you can prepare your documentation requested as part of application at the same time. We are going to talk about this next.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • APPLICATION FOR P.ENG (3)
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      STEP 4 准备申请材料

      当你在填表时,你就可以准备PEO所要求的基本资料了。其中包括:

      - 中英文学历学位证书原件。- 中英文成绩单原件。- 一份工程经验的简历,按照时间顺序写,侧重你的设计、计算、分析、工程原理应用,尽量少提你的行政职务和管理经验。- 如果你有其他证件可以证明你工程经验,你也可以提供,但不是必须。例如国内的工程师证书,或是加拿大某些机构的学历评估,国内雇主的英文推荐信等。虽说没有什么用,但多多少少会给评审你材料的人一些好印象。

      但必须注意的是,英文翻译件最好提供学校翻译件并加盖学校公章的那种版本。一般的国内公证译件反而不容易被认可。另外PEO指定的机构提供的公证是被承认的,但费用也较高。虽说你也可以选择自己翻译,然后让P。ENG签字,也可以被接受,但后面会提到这样做风险较大。所以强力推荐用学校的加盖公章(红)的英文译件原件。

      至于那些非必须的证明文件,象工程师资格证书,你可以自己翻译说明一下即可。

      详细资料提供要求请仔细阅读附在你申请表前面的指南或PEO网站,以上仅凭记忆强调一下值得注意的地方,可能不是全部。

      关于提供英文件另外需要注意的是,为保险起见,最好不要自己翻译你的成绩单,除非你很有把握。因为自己翻译的课程名称有很大风险,我的意思是说不一定准确,或者不一定跟加拿大的课程类别一致,或是你觉得挺对,但评审人看不懂,就会认为你所学的课程不合加拿大同类专业的要求,然后他会要求你提供你的课程描述,造成不必要的麻烦。我的一个朋友在申请时,没有听我的劝告,觉得托人回学校要实在太麻烦,就自己翻译,让公司的P。ENG签了字,结果被要求提供全部课程描述和教学大纲,结果他又重新回学校索取,几费周折结果不被PEO接受,因为原始证明文件不可UPDATE,最初提供的证明文件被认为是合法文件,所以对方仍坚持要他提供课程描述和教学大纲。

      所以为了避免不必要的麻烦,在递交原始证明文件时,一定要慎重,特别是英文件,而且要注意各类文件之间的一致性。例如,毕业早的学生刚毕业不久拿到的成绩单可能不是学分制的,但现在学校给你寄出的可能已经将你的成绩改为学分制了。所以最好不要将旧中文件和新英文件一起用,否则会因不一致而被拒收。大家都知道加拿大办事很死板,所以自己尽量减少漏洞先。

      当你准备好所有原件和申请表填好后,就可寄给PEO或亲自送去,我认为后者比较稳妥,如果你住得不是太远。直接将资料交给前台秘书,然后她会当着你的面一样一样确认你的原件是不是合法以及你是不是提供了所有要求的资料,然后她会将认可的资料一一复印并盖上类似‘与原件同’的章。之后她会将所有原件还给你。如果你愿意多交一些非要求的证明文件,也可以让她复印加上。

      最后,你应该会想到还要交申请费,大概不到200元(具体查看你的申请说明),好象以支票形式即可。

      一切都交齐后,秘书会给你名片告诉你谁是你AGENT。之后很快,你就会受到PEO接收你材料的确认卡。这样你就好象买了票,上了特慢列车,以后的一切只要按照你的AGENT的指示去做即可。自己什么时候到达终点就不是你决定的了,但你的积极配合和全力应战会加速你的列车的运行。

      在等待的过程中,你会想然后你会被要求做什么呢?通常来说,对移民,你会被要求提供更详细的EXPEIRENCE RECORD。具体要求和注意事项请查阅(4)。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
      • 小飞侠,我今天无意间发现了您的专辑,真是太好了,非常有帮助,叩谢!!!我先生已经收到了Experience Record 的通知,但同时
        还要求从学校寄出的course description, 毕业这么多年,学校很难找到人了,不知哪位朋友能帮忙,同济大学物理系的course descrition, 敬请出谋划策!!
        • PEO provided another option: you can write a description according to your memory although that's the least prefered. Sounds like kidding, but it worked.
          That's what I did. Go to website, search for a similar course that matches to yours. Besides, Tongji may have a calander nowadays. You can use it as a reference. Good luck!
    • APPLICATION FOR P.ENG (4)
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      STEP 5 CONFIRMATORY考试与面试之间

      当你递交你的申请材料后,需要耐心等待,但需经常查阅你的电子信箱。通常你的AGENT会选择这种方式与你联系。

      如果他认为你的证明教育背景的文件有些问题,或是你的姓名(中间名)的写法是否和你的LANDING PAPER 上的一致等。请注意我忘记在递交材料部分提到这份重要文件,因为没有什么需要特意准备,只需带上以证明你的合法身份。如果你填在申请表上的名字与LANDING PAPER 有些出入(主要是名字之间有无空格),他们会提醒你他们认为LANDING PAPER 是你的唯一合法文件,所以将来出现在印章上的名字只能是LP上的名字。

      至于你的学历或成绩单有什么问题,他们会要求你补充相应资料。如果你的文件来源可靠,一般不会有什么问题。此时你的申报材料会移交到PEO的ACCEDEMIC COMMITTEE,大概需要耐心等待3个月左右,你会收到一个大文件带,包括信和一些附件。信中会告诉你他们评审了你的教育背景,主要是你的学校以及你所修的课程是否被认可或全部认可,他们会让你参加一些CONFIRMATORY的考试以证明你的ACCDEMIC 背景是否符合当地相应专业的要求(对于在加拿大以外的学位多做此要求)。在附件中有详细的指南,对于5年以上工作经验的大概一共四门课,什么时候可以考,对选择考试科目有什么要求,总之非常详细,同时还提供多大专门开设的补习班课程信息。

      想象你看这封信的时候是不是有点灰心?我当时是。因为当时适合我的有结构力学、土力学、岩土工程设计、工程经济管理什么的,好象比重新读学位还要烦,除了要把发了霉的沉芝麻烂谷子翻出来以外,你还要把他们重新塞进脑子还要翻晒成英文版,说实话不是一件容易的事。如果考虑上补习班,每门历时3个月每个星期一晚上课,而且每门需投资1000刀。即使门门顺利一次通过,至少也要考上两年,除非头两门靠的特别好(都在75分以上),其他两门可以免考。

      但是请关注信上有一句非常重要的话:你有可能被邀请面试以确认你的专业知识水平。如果你通过面试即可以免去那些CONFIRMATORY考试。但是如果你在被邀请面试前,先报名考试,你就会失去被面试的机会,你就必须坚持完考试。其实不用说你也会选择等待面试。

      但我的经验是千万不要空等。在这段时间你应该赶快找到你有关专业的英文书进行复习。即使不参加考试,这对你提高工作专业英语也大有益处,并且最重要的是他将对你是否通过面试奠定坚实的基础!所以怎么算你都只赚不亏。而且你是在压力下是很有动力的也就效果不菲。

      怎么借书?可以跟公司借,跟同事借,如果没有专业公司工作,可以去多大工程类的图书馆利用晚上或周末的时间去阅读。这个基本功是一定要练的。好汉不提当年勇。所以这时暂时忘却你在国内的辉煌历史,重新放低位子,作回学生心。等你对你的专业有了一定英文概念后,对你准备自己的DETAIL EXPERIENCE RECORD非常有帮助。

      大概在递交申请的半年左右,你的AGENT会要求你提供一份详细的EXPERIENCE RECORD,这是为你的面试做准备的,这份资料将提供给你的面试主考官们做参考。你也可以依据这份资料在面试时介绍你是如何人应用工程理论的。因而这份资料的准备不可以是泛泛的流水帐,需要动些脑筋花些心血去准备,我们将在下一章在讨论。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • APPLICATION FOR P.ENG (5)
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      当你收到AGENT给你的通知要求你提供一份详细的EXPERIENCE RECORD时,请仔细阅读随信寄给你的关于EXPERIENCE的具体内容及侧重点。

      格式上与简历不同的是,你需要按照顺序的时间来写。对于每一个雇主(公司),你需要列出雇主(公司)的名称,你的专业职位以及你的服务期间(详细到月)。需要注意的是,最好不要提及你辉煌灿烂的行政职务,因为评审人会因此推测你更多的是在做中高层管理工作(SUPERVISION/MANAGEMENT),从而他们会觉得你不太可能做很具体的设计计算分析工作,这样会对你非常不利。甚至他们会觉得你必须回炉基本的工程设计原理才可以放心你在加拿大从事工程工作,就可能直接让你考专业课而不给你面试的机会。 这样你就会比较吃亏。最好简洁明了的使用‘ASSISTANT ENGINEER’或‘ENGINEER’就足够了。

      列明这些后,你需要简述你的主要专业方面的职责,重点放在具体的设计方面。也可能你实际上是做的是设计管理/施工管理/或项目管理的工作,涉及不到很具体的计算和设计。这种情况下你千万不要过于诚实。我这么说的意思不是让你违背道德,而是建议你尽量提及跟具体计算设计有关的经验/经历,因为PEO认为管理经验不能满足对评审你的ACCDEMIC水平的要求,因而应尽量不提或一句带过。其实国内的工程师大都在最初工作的几年内是从事很具体的设计,因而重点放在初级到中级的经历上应仍是实事求是的。

      职责简述后,你还需要列出你的工程经验/经历中运用了哪些工程设计原理。只要列出原理名称即可。最好比较具体到点,不要范围太大,并且是你真正比较懂的,不需花太大精力就能拾起来的而且最好确实有过相关连的经验。如用‘结构设计原理’,不如具体到‘豪式屋架结构设计原理’。道理很简单,你的这份文件主要是给面试你的考官看的,如果你提及的原理覆盖面太大,他会抽冷门问你一些你不太了解的问题但也属于你那个大范围之内,这样你就有被FAIL的危险。如果多列一条你不是很懂又无法在短期内搞懂的原理,可能你只是想说明你懂的很多,并不想被问到。可是一旦你的运气不好,被考官问到,结果可想而知。 所以列出运用原理时宜精不宜多。

      关于原理的名称最好从英文的专业教科书中引用,这样比较规范。不要自作聪明随意乱翻,弄不好就成了你懂我懂就是考官不懂。 这也是我上一章之所以建议申请者赶早用英文复习一下专业知识的原因之一。因为你运用的原理将是你面试的灵魂,如果你连准确的英文名称都不知道,考官问你的时候,你很可能反映不过来,或是误解考官的问题;或是你在津津乐道地讲解你所谓的中国英文的原理,考官会一时听不明白,就判断你并不是很懂,结果被FAIL也怨不得谁。

      除了以上概要性的经历背景外,最好你再准备一份你所做过的项目清单,其中要包括项目简述、你在其中承担哪些工作、在这些工作中你运用的主要原理。 当然也要标明时间(按顺序)。 如果你一年做过的项目有几十个,千万不要一一细数,只要列出每年有代表性的1-2个就可以了。

      以上都是PEO关于准备这份文件的基本要求以及我认为需要注意的一些细节问题。这些都是你的文件的骨头和肉。如果你就把这份文件眉毛胡子不分的呈现在面试考官面前,他对你的最初印象就是从这里开始。如果他对你的这份文件感觉不很舒服,或是干脆看不进去,可以想象他会在面试你时处于什么样一种心情,刁难你也就情有可原了。所以,准备这份文件时切切不可草率。下一章我们就讨论如何装饰你的这份核心文件,增强吸引力和可读性,使考官对你有一个良好印象。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
      • 我反复看了PEO的要求,Experience Record的顺序好象是最后的单位在前面,刚毕业的单位在最后,即反年代顺序,你是这个意思吗?
        • 我当时收到的要求是按顺年代(chronological)写,即先写刚毕业后的公司...现在的雇主写在最后。
    • APPLICATION FOR P.ENG (6)
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛APPLICATION FOR P.ENG. (6)

      如何准备你的EXPERIENCE RECORD,我相信每个人都会有自己的高见,在此仅提供个人意见供大家参考。

      格式上最好采用比较专业的风格,类似你的设计报告,在封面上首先列出关于“XXX的XX年XX工程方面的EXPERIENCE RECORD”,还应著名你的这份文件提交的部门,文件的时间,多少份等等,当然最重要的是不要忘了写上你的FILE NO。

      通常你不会只有一个雇主,这样最好有个目录页,以每个雇主工作为一个章节号,并标明页码。通常PEO在给你的信里会要求以时间顺序或逆序。每一章节要写明雇主的名称,你为其工作的期间范围,你的(技术)职务,你的职责概要以及在此期间你所运用的工程理论。需要提醒的是要尽量把这一页压缩在一页范围,尽量简捷明了,让读者扫一眼就知道你的技术职责范围。为这一点我特意咨询过PEO的AGENT,他们也强调简捷明了的重要性,因为这份文件的读者主要是将来要面试你的专业考官,他们大都是已退休的VOLUNTEER,所以他们不可能愿意去读你的长篇大论,最好让他们在最短的时间知道你是从事行业的,侧重在哪些理论的应用,这就足够了。

      有人可能担心那我做的那么多项目,在哪儿罗列啊?不用担心,你可以用附件形式(ATTACHMENT)和你的文件装订在一起,当然在目录里也要列出你的附件名称,诸如“典型项目清单”等。在清单中视你工作时间长短,选取跟你选定的工程原理最相关并且你最熟悉的项目,通常1-3个每年就足够了,最好以横幅表格形式,列明项目的TITLE,年份,简述,你做了其中的什么设计或计算,运用的原理(只要名称)。这样,你至少要四五栏,至于长度最好在5-10页之间。这么做的目的是因为,如果考官在看了你的职责简述后已很明了你的专业重心,可能用不着再去看你的项目清单了,这种情况下,他也不会觉得你的清单太烦,反正是附件,不看也没什么;但另一种情况是,考官在看了你的职责简述后仍然对你的专业重心有些糊涂,那么他就会想通过你所干的项目的情况做进一步的核实或明确,那么你给他提供了一个很好的去处,就是你的附件。

      还有一个很重要的方面不能忽略的是,如果你的评审人在看了你的简述和项目后仍然不是很清楚你所运用的设计理论具体是哪一方面,最好再准备一个附件(可以作为附件A,将你的项目清单作为附件B),列出你所运用的原理的细节,如我前面提到的只要选3-5个就可以,其实也就是自己采取主动,给自己划定考试范围,这样你在准备时就会有非常明确的目标,真正做到成竹在胸。你可以采用“A:XX原理”为标题,然后给一个简单的定义,列出公式及各变量或参数的意义,甚至如何得来,对于复杂的专业公式最好用MICROSOFT EQUATION插入,如果有简图最好附上,简单的就用WORD里的画图功能就行,复杂的最好用AUTOCAD画然后插入。所作的这一切努力一仍然是让对方觉得你确实很专业,另外这也是为你以后的面试打下非常好的基础。

      作了以上工作,你可能会为你图文并茂的文件感到满意了。 但还想提醒各位申请者,当你对的内容版式编排已十分满意后,最好不要用订书器一定了事,要把你要上缴的对象当做你的业主,不能随随便便草草了事,要很重视你的包装,一是表示对对方的尊重,另外也让对你有一个良好的专业印象。最好按给你业主的专业报告的形式装订。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • !
    • 谢谢。辛苦了。
    • great
      • 好文章!!如果上周看见它就可以少走些弯路了:) 我上周刚把申请递交到PEO。2天前收到处理费收据及F/N还有一封信,要求提供课程大纲。 小飞侠,,总结的好。very helpful!!
        • 其实1-6在两个月前就贴过了,只是被淹没了。以后我会经常积集重帖,以照顾那些正在考虑或刚开始申请的朋友。这些都是我个人总结的一些经验,仅供大家参考,也愿意与大家讨论和交流。谢谢!
          • 飞侠兄,我有个疑问:是不是必须首先通过委员会的面试或者专业考试以后才能够进入EIT状态??你说的印度同事怎么申请后就EIT了呢?疑惑ing,应该是什么过程呢?
            • 申请P.ENG并不一定非要申请EIT,它只是在申请P.ENG的等待期为你提供的一种服务,每年交50刀左右年费,
              只要交一份书面申请,不需要任何面试和考试,好处是你可以得到工程界很多信息,诸如各类专业的年会,培训班什么的,参加那些SEMINAR可以结识一些专业公司的中高层人士,对找工有一定好处。同时它也提供专业职位的市场供求情况。在你求职时如果告诉雇主你现在是EIT,他会认为你确实是很SERIOUSLY在申请P.ENG。

              一般当地刚毕业的学生在申请PE的等待期通常申请EIT,不需要考试和面试,但可以得到很多信息。对正在申请并已找到专业公司工作的移民来说没有必要申请,但对正在找工的申请者或许还有些用处,只要你愿意花点钱去得到上面的好处。

              所以说如果你一定要申请EIT,在你递交P.ENG申请后就可申请,跟P.ENG的考试或面试没有任何关系。
            • 一 旦 PEO 通 知 你 可 以 参 加confirmatory exams, 你 就 可 以 成 为EIT, 不 必 等 到 通 过 考 试 或 面 试。 其 实 这 些PEO 网 站 都 有。
    • 非常感谢,五体投地,的确是好文,虽然还没有来得及看。小飞侠,如有问题可否发EMAIL向你请教?
      • 当然可以,我会尽我所知回答你。
        • Thanks
    • 上次我问我的一位推荐人,有没有必要写一封推荐信,他说通常的做法是PEO会寄一封信来。我现在基本上都递交了所有的文件,他们正在审核我需要参加什么样的专业考试。
      对于你的情况,好象是先收到的考试通知,后收到面试同志,我知道你还准备了很久,是吗?我通读了PEO的要求后,他们说推荐人很重要。当然怎么重要可能我们作为申请人不是很了解了。

      非常感谢你的文章,确实打有准备的仗是很重要的。我现在找什么都找得到,但是关键的东西比如公式和标准的代号等。看来需要记一些。
      • 你的推荐人会收到PEO的信附带一份问卷调查,由推荐人填写(打打钩什么的)并寄回或传真给PEO即可,不用推荐信。
        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛至于先收到到面试通知还是考试通知,具体处理顺序是这样的:PEO收到你的材料后首先转到学历组审查,对于不是当地毕业的移民工程师都会收到你需要参加专业CONFORMATIVE的考试通知信作为学历组的评审结果。信中还会告诉你你的材料已被转到经验组,如果你被给予面试机会并且通过面试,你也可以免去CONFIRMATIVE的考试。但也会告诉你如果你先选择考试,你就不会有面试机会了。所以正常的反映就是不理这封信,继续等待面试通知,因为只要你有5年以上经验,就可以获得面试机会。

        我的时间顺序是:

        2001年1月 递交申请表和文件资料
        -------- 在此期间找出有关规范,但没有心思看

        2001年4月 收到PEO学历评审组的信关于CONFIRMATIVE考试
        -------- 在此期间找到英文课本认真地作了几道题,回回炉

        2001年6月 收到PEO经验组关于补交详细EXPERIENCE RECORD
        -------- 在此期间由于母亲病故回国,拖到8月份才开始动笔

        2001年9月 收到PEO电话留言,问感不感兴趣10天后面试,但由于出差收到留言时刚过面试时间,于是打电话解释原因表示道歉,并问可不可以再约时间,于是约到11月。
        -------- 在此期间稍微用点心思准备,从纸上到嘴上,但由于没有怎么强化,准备得散散拉拉,心里非常没有底

        2001年11月面试前晚上,在家里收到PEO电话,说某考官明天不能AVAILABLE,暂时取消我的面试,我问可不可以再给我重排个时间,结果排到12月(DELAY两周)
        -------- 但这推迟的两周给了我多一次的机会,于是我集中全力,重新强化突击了一遍,感到这两个星期的效果几倍于前两个月的效果,在去面试之前的信心也比11月CANCEL的那次前增强了几倍。

        以上供你参考更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
        • 非常感谢!那么道德法律的考试进行的怎么样了?好像材料上说提出申请之日的两年内,必须参加考试。无论如何,这应该不会象专业考试那样吓人,但是我们的母语不是英语,可能也要花很多时间。
          衷心希望你早日拿到Licence,戴上铁戒指。到时千万要让我们知道,分享你的成功喜悦。
          • 我是今年四月份考的道德和法律,七月份出结果通过,八月份拿到LICENSE。
            我是很早就借到书,偶尔拿出来翻翻,但最初很难看进去,更别说看懂,直到面试通过才开始有紧迫感,强迫自己往下看,但效率不高,临考前休了一个星期的假把自己关在房间里复习,才找到感觉,我会在(9)中详细介绍我的复习经历和体会,如果你有书就可以零零星星先看起来。
            • 原来你已经拿到执照了,首先表示祝贺! 看样子也用了快两年,可能还算快的。
              • 谢谢!快不快我不知道,我是去年1月到今年八月,历时一年零七个月,确实很痛苦。
                肯定有比我快的。但我的印度同事从2000年3月开始申请,在我之后面试且通过,到现在还没拿到LICENSE。所以时间长短因人而异,祝你申请路上站站顺利!
                • 谢谢!我觉得面试最不容易了,PPE反正大家都要考。唉!想想在我们中国,工程师的执照也不难拿呀,大家到了这里,得到这个却这么难。所以说移民是很艰难的,不知道当初英国人来到加拿大,有没有我们这样的感觉。
                  我是今年8月份才递的申请,前几天才交得经验纪录。路漫长着呢!好在有你的指引,rolia虽然人多,混得也都还不错,但都是计算机专家,很少看到非IT的职业信息。
            • where can i borrow the book? thx.
          • 另外补充一下,对于需要面试的移民,PPE限期不是在申请之日后两年,而是在通知你可以开始报考PPE之日之后两年,所以时间还是足够的。
            而且每年有三次报考机会。至于难不难,我的感觉就是懂了就不难,觉得难的时候是因为还没真正看懂。我们虽然英语不如汉语但笔试的功夫对中国人来说向来都是强项,所以不用担心。
    • 非常感谢,小飞侠!
      • 孩子生了?男?女?
        • 生了. 男, 7磅1.
          • 恭喜!
    • 向你敬个礼,你是俺们的好榜样,等俺有成了,也来灌水施肥。rolia 有点象世外桃源,人人过着丰衣足食,互帮互助的生活,好象童话一样。
      • 呵呵,这句话,俺喜欢。
      • 打的一塌糊涂,还世外桃源
        • 9494, 俺刚上来准备删掉,几个小时以后,rolia变了个样。有你们跟贴,删不掉了,留着作纪念吧。
    • 谢谢!确实写得非常好,很有帮助。小飞侠, 可不可以请你介绍一下你的面试过程?
      • Wait for (8)
        • 请问:申请期限是几年?是否要在两年内完成所有考试,否则需要重新申请? 谢谢小飞侠。
    • 请文你是什么专业的,请介绍一下你的面试过程。
    • It's quite useful although it was posted one year ago.
    • 请问:我在国内主要从事土建的施工、管理,搞过工程、干过监理、搞过开发,一句话除了设计没干过,其他的土建我都干过。应该如何准备?你有这方面的经验或熟人吗?
      • 亲自设计为主,其它的好象没什么用,因为你在看别人干,你自己没干。
    • hei feixia, I have almost 5 year experience in HVAC design(four year and nine month)when I was in China, then 2001 I came to Canada, and labour,
      and studying for my master degree in Engineering. I never do my major job in Canada, Can I apply as a student now? Thanks
    • 非常感谢!想得明白,干得明白,讲得明白!只是我看到的晚了,刚刚费了莫大的劲儿为PEO提供完了教学大纲等等系列文件。有一事请教飞侠:
      您文中提到请PEO 签字翻译证书后面会有麻烦,说的就是要大纲的事,还是还有其他事项?