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  • 枫下沙龙 / 谈天说地 / 自从了解了转基因食品,我家的饮食有如下改变
    1。由原来的菜油改成了橄榄油炒菜

    2。原来还很愿意吃点玉米面,玉米察之类,认为是粗粮,吃点好,而且是北方人。现在很少吃了

    3。原来爱吃豆付,现在忍着少吃。
    • 橄榄油高温不好。
      • +1, 危害远比转基因柴油大
      • "橄榄油为“营养之王”,热炒煎炸不会破坏营养,因为橄榄油抗氧化性能和不饱和脂肪酸含量高,在高温时生化结构仍保持稳定,烟点高达240°~270°,远高于其他食用油烟点值。" ZT
        • need to be Extra Light grade...not extra-virgin and virgin grades.
        • +1
    • 在转基因的汪洋大海里,这样的小改变没有任何意义。
      • 怎么样的改变是有意义的?
        • 基因交换无时无刻不在发生。植物杂交是大规模的杂乱的转基因,基因工程是精确的可控制的转基因。没有道理混乱的转基因是安全的,而精确控制的转基因反而是不安全的。所以没有任何科学的权威的机构质疑转基因的安全性。质疑的基本上都是不入流科学家,民科,伪环保分子。
          • 说的基本上都是针对"精确控制的转基因"吧. 混乱的转基因是由大自然控制的,而且经过漫长的岁月,才能慢慢自然的调节,最大程度地适应环境而又能不破坏生态系统. "精确控制的转基因"背后的动机是什么?
            • $$$$$。
              • Yes.
            • 精确控制反而能够减少对环境的破坏。比如棉花,没有转基因棉花之前,棉铃虫基本上摧毁了棉花产业。农民需要喷洒大量的农药,对农民和环境破坏都极大。有转基因棉花之后,农药喷洒大量减少。对环境的破坏也大大减少了。
              • 这样的科学观是很机械和片面的.只看到点,没看到面. 自然界生态环境是很微妙和精巧的,人为过度为单一目的去改变,最终会给生态环境代来不可逆转的破坏.
                本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛转基因对环境的危害(转)

                将我们所知不多的转基因生物释放到复杂的生态系统中,是一个对大自然极度危险的实验。

                人类的科学发展是在不断“试错”的过程中摸索前进的。不少新的产品或发明在开始的时候都被视为是对人类及环境无害,可是事后证实是事与愿违。直到现在,人类对生命及生态的理解仍然相当有限。但是,我们知道大自然有自己一套秩序,一旦引入类似转基因生物这些外来的、未知的品种,可以对自然生态有牵一发而动全身的影响。

                不可控制,无法逆转

                转基因生物是实验室中创造出来的生命,不是自然的生命体,是无法通过进化而自然产生的。即是说转基因生物对地球的生态系统来说,都属于外来品种,转基因生物像其它生物一样,可以有繁殖、与近亲交配的能力,可以透过花粉传播及其它方法将体内的特性传给近亲生物,转基因生物一旦释放出来环境之中,他们就会在自然界中继续繁衍,人类无法控制,一旦出错,覆水难收。

                危害生态平衡

                转基因的生物由于人工改造,在生存上比同类的生物显得更强势,例如被植入人类生长激素的三文鱼比普通三文鱼庞大三倍以上,而且生长速度较快。研究生态的学者担心,强势的转基因生物会令自然界原有的品种绝种,破坏生物多样性。

                生物技术公司声称通过转基因技术可以发展出抗虫的农作物,但这些改造过的生物可能会为其它生物带不可预知的危害,包括蝴蝶、瓢虫等益虫,最终导致生态平衡的破坏,甚至另一场大自然灾害的开始。

                基因污染危及粮食安全

                转基因农作物会透过花粉将基因传播给近亲植物,科学家称之为基因流,这会令其它植物也出现转基因农作物(如抗除草剂)的特征,扰乱生态的自然规律。如果抗除草剂的基因传播到杂草,更会使 “超级杂草”出现,危害粮食生产。

                2001年11月,科学家及墨西哥政府发现墨西哥三百多种野生玉米品种受到基因污染。墨西哥是玉米的发源地及品种集中地区,基因污染不单破坏了当地的生物多样性,更威胁到粮食安全,因为人类千百年以来就是利用多样的野生品种来培育新的农作物品种以对抗新虫害、新病害以及适应多变的气候和环境条件。


                加速害虫的抗药性发展

                一些转基因生物具有抵抗害虫的功能,可是,害虫长年累月地接触某种毒素,体内自然地会产生抗体,有可能变成不怕杀虫剂的“超级害虫”。

                针对转基因棉花进行研究表明,发现棉花内的毒素造成主要害虫棉钤虫的抗药性发展,有可能导致超级害虫的出现,令Bt棉花在八至十年内就失去抗虫力。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
                • 一个女生,能够这样大局的,整体的,超然的看问题,非常非常的好,佩服了。
                  • :)
                    • ):(
                      我还落了个"长远的"。

                      别不好意思!
                  • 呵呵,她的本事也就如此了。。。。。。有人知道比她多何止一万倍?。。。。。。。。。。。。 (#7029436@0)
                • 这篇文章不是专业人士写的。基本上都是臆测。这里有一篇生物学家写的:对转基因的无知与偏见
                  本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛◇◇新语丝(www.xys.org)(xys5.dxiong.com)(www.xinyusi.info)(xys2.dropin.org)◇◇

                  对转基因的无知与偏见

                  作者:柯贝
                  南方周末2011年07月21日

                    近年来,中国比较关注转基因技术和食品,与此同时,也出现一股反对转基
                  因的势力。看看一些反转基因人物的所作所为,或许能够帮助人们免受误导。

                    美国对食品安全的要求远远高于中国。但是反转基因在中国造成的后果是:
                  美国已经多年种植可以食用的转基因植物,而中国迄今却不能。美国人食用转基
                  因食物也已有多年,有些人则是直接食用。因为美国饲养的动物普遍食用转基因
                  作物,因此更多的美国人间接地食用了转基因食物。美国科学院明确指出转基因
                  食物没有对人的健康产生不良影响,美国政府明确规定食物不能标示是否转基因,
                  这使得民众能够同等地对待转基因和非转基因的食物。

                    中国对于食品的安全要求低于美国,为什么在转基因方面的要求却大大高于
                  美国呢?是中国在转基因方面比美国高明?显然不是。

                    一个重要原因是:反转基因的势力在网络和一些传统媒体上误导了国内舆论,
                  阻碍了中国转基因技术的发展和应用。

                    一个不可忽视的事实是:反转基因的华人无一是分子生物学的专家,更没有
                  做过转基因的专家。

                    海内外华人主导反转基因的人,绝大多数缺乏专业知识。真正懂得分子生物
                  学的华人专家,还未有反对转基因的。出头激烈反转基因的都不是专家。但是他
                  们制造的舆论已经对中国转基因技术产业产生了不良影响。

                    在科学的、理性的层面上提出对转基因技术要慎重,并认真探讨其中的问题,
                  本是无可厚非的。可惜的是,一些竭力反对转基因的人,是出于一种非理性的、
                  情绪化的考虑,另一些人则打着科学的幌子,采用似是而非的理由。相比于完全
                  不懂生物学、用简单的“人文关怀”来反对转基因的人,这些戴着生物学“帽徽”
                  的专家欺骗性更大。本文的分析仅以两个人为例,其中一位是最近在《文汇报》
                  发表文章的曹明华,另一位是长期在国内造舆论反转基因的蒋高明。

                  逻辑荒谬

                    中国科学院植物研究所研究员蒋高明,外界以其任职于科学院而以为他是专
                  家。其实他不是。对于转基因的基础科学分子生物学,他并不太懂。

                    他反转基因有更基本的理由:反对用科学改良农业。如果不分析其基本理由,
                  就看不清楚他反转基因只是表面现象。

                    蒋高明的原话是:“中国打赢粮食战争是靠9亿勤劳的农民。"赖其力者生,
                  不赖其力者死"、"治田勤谨"(墨翟)。美国就不具备这个优势,才发明了化肥农
                  业、除草剂农业、无机农业、转基因农业等,来解决吃饭问题。中国耕地能够连
                  续应用数千年还不退化,所仰仗的就是"人勤地产"的生态循环农业技术,这样的
                  技术在全球都是最先进的。”

                    他的基本逻辑是:中国靠农民人多来解决粮食问题。中国应该永远保持以人
                  多来种田的优势。此逻辑的自然推论,等于说因为中国农民多,如果改良了、增
                  产了,要导致农民失业。表面上看,对农民真是很关心,而且为政府着想解决农
                  民的就业问题。

                    按照这种逻辑,中国农民应该继续两千年前的生产方式,无需农业机械化,
                  而应该退回刀耕火种,因为那样需要的农民人数会更多。通过广大农民以数量庞
                  大的劳动力来坚持“全球最先进技术”,可以供养蒋高明在现代城市生活。

                    工业、农业效率提高后,如何给工人、农民以其他就业机会,是重要的社会
                  问题,而且不断为人类所解决。用就业来阻止工农业效率提高,是早已没有市场
                  的陈辞滥调。按照这样的逻辑,中国应该反对汽车引进,因为会减少黄包车车夫
                  的工作;中国应该反对现代通讯,因为会减少用马或自行车送信的就业人数。

                    对于这种逻辑,最好的反问是,如果反对农民享受现代科学技术带来的成果,
                  应该请蒋高明这样的人自己去种田、去拉黄包车,去发扬光大他所谓的“全球最
                  先进技术”。

                    不懂装懂

                    一般对转基因有疑问的大众,包括偏向慎用转基因食物的人们,都不会不懂
                  装懂。而反转基因的急先锋,却不乏不懂装懂的人。

                    曹明华在《文汇报》说:“以为破译了基本的遗传密码,便掌握了生命的终
                  极奥秘;以为能把细菌、病毒捣鼓来捣鼓去,就可以运用相同的原理,随心所欲
                  地操纵地球上的其它生命形式……,没有任何一个具备真正科学精神的人会这样
                  做!”这与她在其他文字中所透出的基本的反科学精神如出一辙。这一点姑且不
                  谈,而只说其中不符合事实的部分。因为很多科学家,包括多个诺贝尔奖获得者,
                  已经用转基因改变多种生命形式,早已超出细菌、病毒的类型。Mario Cappechi
                  因为发明基因剔除技术,将老鼠基因剔除和改变而获得诺贝尔奖。今天包括中国
                  国内的很多研究生,改变动植物基因是他们常规的实验手段。如果他们都不是
                  “具备真正科学精神的人”,我们就只能称曹明华等少数人为“具备真正科学精
                  神的人”。

                    曹明华自己的分子生物学知识也很有限,有人介绍她1985年毕业于上海交通
                  大学生物医学工程系,曾获美国南加州大学神经老化分子学硕士学位。但她其实
                  并没有弄懂分子生物学。她在文章中用的“基因学”就是她自己杜撰的,因为这
                  个词汇在科学界无人使用。至于“神经老化分子学”,真正搞生物学的人,也是
                  闻所未闻。

                    曹明华还说“而商业化了的转基因食物产业,则是科技工匠的作为它基本上
                  无视已更新了的、重要的生物学原理”。其实不懂重要生物学原理的正是她。做
                  转基因的人,支持转基因的懂行科学家,对于生物学原理比她懂得多:转基因食
                  物产业,没有违反生物学原理。

                    蒋高明犯的错误也不少,不过他基本不会貌似深入地讲解转基因技术。他讲
                  得很肤浅,也就不犯曹明华这种貌似“基因学”专家的错误。

                    这些人都是不懂装懂,以内行面目出现的不负责任的外行。

                    拾人牙慧

                    这些反转基因的“斗士”,经常使用的一个方法是到西方拾人牙慧。

                    因为西方反转基因的人也不是专家,所以,华人再去拾人牙慧就让人忍俊不
                  禁。具有讽刺意味的是,这些人一面指责做转基因的人卖国,而他们自己的虎皮
                  常常也是从国外贩卖回来的。

                    曹明华用来作为大旗“曾登上《时代》周刊封面的著名生物学家Barry
                  Commoner”,其实是一个反对现代科学技术应用的人。Commoner在生态上有过贡
                  献,但这位曾经竞选总统的不甘寂寞者,对自己不懂的东西也大放厥词。他搞不
                  懂分子生物学的基本概念,把自己的无知和偏见作为DNA双螺旋发现者Crick的错
                  误来批判。国际分子生物学界没人理他,因为不值得反驳这种不懂常识的人。

                    曹明华却不经简单的核实,就引用和发挥Commoner的说法。比如,曹明华说:
                  "可变剪接"(Alternative Splicing)原理的发现和证实,在相当大程度上破灭
                  了想以转基因来实现农作物增产的良好企图。当最初以为,高级生命的构成原理
                  (这里包括真核生物植物)是与低级生命(原核生物)一样时,对"增产基因"的
                  人为操纵曾经是想当然地可行。而随着"可变剪接"的原理在真核生物中的确定,
                  对于真核生物基因的操纵已无疑是"牵一发而动全身"的贸然举动。因此,想用转
                  基因来实现农作物增产的目的基本上已被证明是一条行不通的路。”

                    这一段话,对于不懂分子生物学的大众,可能真以为她有专业的理由来反对
                  转基因。其实这是曹明华无知的又一个表现。首先,“可变剪接”根本没有破灭
                  转基因,目前转基因成功的例子很多,有困难的可以改善,设计上已经注意到不
                  受“可变剪接”的影响,如果在个别情况出现问题,较容易发现和克服,这些都
                  是国内研究生水平就知道的。其次,她犯了低级错误,“可变剪接”是很早发现
                  的,早于转基因食品。曹明华时间错位,不知道发现“可变剪接”之后才有转基
                  因方面的工作。

                    Splicing的发现是诺贝尔奖成果。如果连这种分子生物学常识也不知道,要
                  么是她水平太低,要么是偏见蒙住了她的眼睛。当然也可能是她拾人牙慧,捡
                  Commoner的话。Commoner是九十多岁的老人,糊涂也罢,而完全用糊涂来解释曹
                  明华的言论,恐怕不够。

                    信口开河

                    对不懂的东西,以专家面目出现,是一种欺骗,但有时是观念使然,而非刻
                  意。但明确制造谎言是不可原谅的欺骗。

                    反转基因的“斗士”在介绍国外情况时,常常瞎编乱造,欺骗不了解情况的
                  国内大众。

                    比如,美国明确禁止食物标明是否转基因,而蒋高明却说“美国人是很讲究
                  的,他们相信政府的倡导,他们对于转基因食品是心存戒心的,食品市场上都有
                  明确标注”。

                    曹明华也是这样的:“美国高档一些的餐馆,都会注明它的牛肉是100%
                  grass-fed,即不用转基因玉米喂的牛”,而事实上,既然美国规定不能标明食
                  物是否转基因,所以餐馆不能说明牛肉不是转基因的。餐馆说明grass-fed即草
                  养的目的,和说明蔬菜是有机的一样,是说不是由人工大批量饲养的。

                    曹明华不顾事实,信口开河说“美国目前将转基因食物尽可能地向落后国家
                  转移,美国国内的转基因食物正愈来愈减少……除了动物饲料、生物燃料和工业
                  原料,美国已趋于将"转基因"只用作极微量的食品添加剂。即便如此,转基因在
                  美国本土还是被人们避之不及”。事实上:美国是世界上用转基因最多的国家,
                  美国是食用转基因食物最多的国家,美国科学院明确支持转基因技术和转基因食
                  物。

                    有些人为了耸人听闻,把中国支持做转基因的人都打成“卖国贼”。还有人
                  把所有支持转基因的国内学者和其他人制成录像,通过网站和电子邮件广为传播。
                  这些人常常躲在背后,而出头露面的所谓专家,就是他们依赖的对象。

                    如果不反驳这些不懂装懂、不顾事实的所谓专家,让国内舆论和大众被误导,
                  这才是中国科学界的悲哀。之所以指出对待转基因不理智问题,是为了扭转讨论
                  的焦点:应该科学地建立对转基因作物的栽培,以及对转基因食物进行严格的监
                  督。

                    (作者系国内生物学家)

                  (XYS20110722)

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                  • 呵呵.我也给篇WHO网站上的文章,很长,我还没看完,慢慢看,共同学习.......
                    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛20 questions on genetically modified foods
                    20 QUESTIONS ON GENETICALLY MODIFIED (GM) FOODS
                    Q1. What are genetically modified (GM) organisms and GM foods?

                    These questions and answers have been prepared by WHO in response to questions and concerns by a number of WHO Member State Governments with regard to the nature and safety of genetically modified food.

                    Genetically modified organisms (GMOs) can be defined as organisms in which the genetic material (DNA) has been altered in a way that does not occur naturally. The technology is often called “modern biotechnology” or “gene technology”, sometimes also “recombinant DNA technology” or “genetic engineering”. It allows selected individual genes to be transferred from one organism into another, also between non-related species.

                    Such methods are used to create GM plants – which are then used to grow GM food crops.

                    Q2. Why are GM foods produced?

                    GM foods are developed – and marketed – because there is some perceived advantage either to the producer or consumer of these foods. This is meant to translate into a product with a lower price, greater benefit (in terms of durability or nutritional value) or both. Initially GM seed developers wanted their products to be accepted by producers so have concentrated on innovations that farmers (and the food industry more generally) would appreciate.

                    The initial objective for developing plants based on GM organisms was to improve crop protection. The GM crops currently on the market are mainly aimed at an increased level of crop protection through the introduction of resistance against plant diseases caused by insects or viruses or through increased tolerance towards herbicides.

                    Insect resistance is achieved by incorporating into the food plant the gene for toxin production from the bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis (BT). This toxin is currently used as a conventional insecticide in agriculture and is safe for human consumption. GM crops that permanently produce this toxin have been shown to require lower quantities of insecticides in specific situations, e.g. where pest pressure is high.

                    Virus resistance is achieved through the introduction of a gene from certain viruses which cause disease in plants. Virus resistance makes plants less susceptible to diseases caused by such viruses, resulting in higher crop yields.

                    Herbicide tolerance is achieved through the introduction of a gene from a bacterium conveying resistance to some herbicides. In situations where weed pressure is high, the use of such crops has resulted in a reduction in the quantity of the herbicides used.

                    Q3. Are GM foods assessed differently from traditional foods?

                    Generally consumers consider that traditional foods (that have often been eaten for thousands of years) are safe. When new foods are developed by natural methods, some of the existing characteristics of foods can be altered, either in a positive or a negative way National food authorities may be called upon to examine traditional foods, but this is not always the case. Indeed, new plants developed through traditional breeding techniques may not be evaluated rigorously using risk assessment techniques.

                    With GM foods most national authorities consider that specific assessments are necessary. Specific systems have been set up for the rigorous evaluation of GM organisms and GM foods relative to both human health and the environment. Similar evaluations are generally not performed for traditional foods. Hence there is a significant difference in the evaluation process prior to marketing for these two groups of food.

                    One of the objectives of the WHO Food Safety Programme is to assist national authorities in the identification of foods that should be subject to risk assessment, including GM foods, and to recommend the correct assessments.

                    Q4. How are the potential risks to human health determined?

                    The safety assessment of GM foods generally investigates: (a) direct health effects (toxicity), (b) tendencies to provoke allergic reaction (allergenicity); (c) specific components thought to have nutritional or toxic properties; (d) the stability of the inserted gene; (e) nutritional effects associated with genetic modification; and (f) any unintended effects which could result from the gene insertion.

                    Q5. What are the main issues of concern for human health?

                    While theoretical discussions have covered a broad range of aspects, the three main issues debated are tendencies to provoke allergic reaction (allergenicity), gene transfer and outcrossing.

                    Allergenicity. As a matter of principle, the transfer of genes from commonly allergenic foods is discouraged unless it can be demonstrated that the protein product of the transferred gene is not allergenic. While traditionally developed foods are not generally tested for allergenicity, protocols for tests for GM foods have been evaluated by the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) and WHO. No allergic effects have been found relative to GM foods currently on the market.

                    Gene transfer. Gene transfer from GM foods to cells of the body or to bacteria in the gastrointestinal tract would cause concern if the transferred genetic material adversely affects human health. This would be particularly relevant if antibiotic resistance genes, used in creating GMOs, were to be transferred. Although the probability of transfer is low, the use of technology without antibiotic resistance genes has been encouraged by a recent FAO/WHO expert panel.

                    Outcrossing. The movement of genes from GM plants into conventional crops or related species in the wild (referred to as “outcrossing”), as well as the mixing of crops derived from conventional seeds with those grown using GM crops, may have an indirect effect on food safety and food security. This risk is real, as was shown when traces of a maize type which was only approved for feed use appeared in maize products for human consumption in the United States of America. Several countries have adopted strategies to reduce mixing, including a clear separation of the fields within which GM crops and conventional crops are grown.

                    Feasibility and methods for post-marketing monitoring of GM food products, for the continued surveillance of the safety of GM food products, are under discussion.

                    Q6. How is a risk assessment for the environment performed?

                    Environmental risk assessments cover both the GMO concerned and the potential receiving environment. The assessment process includes evaluation of the characteristics of the GMO and its effect and stability in the environment, combined with ecological characteristics of the environment in which the introduction will take place. The assessment also includes unintended effects which could result from the insertion of the new gene.

                    Q7. What are the issues of concern for the environment?

                    Issues of concern include: the capability of the GMO to escape and potentially introduce the engineered genes into wild populations; the persistence of the gene after the GMO has been harvested; the susceptibility of non-target organisms (e.g. insects which are not pests) to the gene product; the stability of the gene; the reduction in the spectrum of other plants including loss of biodiversity; and increased use of chemicals in agriculture. The environmental safety aspects of GM crops vary considerably according to local conditions.

                    Current investigations focus on: the potentially detrimental effect on beneficial insects or a faster induction of resistant insects; the potential generation of new plant pathogens; the potential detrimental consequences for plant biodiversity and wildlife, and a decreased use of the important practice of crop rotation in certain local situations; and the movement of herbicide resistance genes to other plants.

                    Q8. Are GM foods safe?

                    Different GM organisms include different genes inserted in different ways. This means that individual GM foods and their safety should be assessed on a case-by-case basis and that it is not possible to make general statements on the safety of all GM foods.

                    GM foods currently available on the international market have passed risk assessments and are not likely to present risks for human health. In addition, no effects on human health have been shown as a result of the consumption of such foods by the general population in the countries where they have been approved. Continuous use of risk assessments based on the Codex principles and, where appropriate, including post market monitoring, should form the basis for evaluating the safety of GM foods.

                    Q9. How are GM foods regulated nationally?

                    The way governments have regulated GM foods varies. In some countries GM foods are not yet regulated. Countries which have legislation in place focus primarily on assessment of risks for consumer health. Countries which have provisions for GM foods usually also regulate GMOs in general, taking into account health and environmental risks, as well as control- and trade-related issues (such as potential testing and labelling regimes). In view of the dynamics of the debate on GM foods, legislation is likely to continue to evolve.

                    Q10. What kind of GM foods are on the market internationally?

                    All GM crops available on the international market today have been designed using one of three basic traits: resistance to insect damage; resistance to viral infections; and tolerance towards certain herbicides. All the genes used to modify crops are derived from microorganisms.

                    Q11. What happens when GM foods are traded internationally?

                    No specific international regulatory systems are currently in place. However, several international organizations are involved in developing protocols for GMOs.

                    The Codex Alimentarius Commission (Codex) is the joint FAO/WHO body responsible for compiling the standards, codes of practice, guidelines and recommendations that constitute the Codex Alimentarius: the international food code. Codex is developing principles for the human health risk analysis of GM foods. The premise of these principles dictates a premarket assessment, performed on a case-by-case basis and including an evaluation of both direct effects (from the inserted gene) and unintended effects (that may arise as a consequence of insertion of the new gene). The principles are at an advanced stage of development and are expected to be adopted in July 2003. Codex principles do not have a binding effect on national legislation, but are referred to specifically in the Sanitary and Phytosanitary Agreement of the World Trade Organization (SPS Agreement), and can be used as a reference in case of trade disputes.

                    The Cartagena Protocol on Biosafety (CPB), an environmental treaty legally binding for its Parties, regulates transboundary movements of living modified organisms (LMOs). GM foods are within the scope of the Protocol only if they contain LMOs that are capable of transferring or replicating genetic material. The cornerstone of the CPB is a requirement that exporters seek consent from importers before the first shipment of LMOs intended for release into the environment. The Protocol will enter into force 90 days after the 50th country has ratified it, which may be in early 2003 in view of the accelerated depositions registered since June 2002.

                    Q12. Have GM products on the international market passed a risk assessment?

                    The GM products that are currently on the international market have all passed risk assessments conducted by national authorities. These different assessments in general follow the same basic principles, including an assessment of environmental and human health risk. These assessments are thorough, they have not indicated any risk to human health.

                    Q13. Why has there been concern about GM foods among some politicians, public interest groups and consumers, especially in Europe?

                    Since the first introduction on the market in the mid-1990s of a major GM food (herbicide-resistant soybeans), there has been increasing concern about such food among politicians, activists and consumers, especially in Europe. Several factors are involved.

                    In the late 1980s – early 1990s, the results of decades of molecular research reached the public domain. Until that time, consumers were generally not very aware of the potential of this research. In the case of food, consumers started to wonder about safety because they perceive that modern biotechnology is leading to the creation of new species.

                    Consumers frequently ask, “what is in it for me?”. Where medicines are concerned, many consumers more readily accept biotechnology as beneficial for their health (e.g. medicines with improved treatment potential). In the case of the first GM foods introduced onto the European market, the products were of no apparent direct benefit to consumers (not cheaper, no increased shelf-life, no better taste). The potential for GM seeds to result in bigger yields per cultivated area should lead to lower prices. However, public attention has focused on the risk side of the risk-benefit equation.

                    Consumer confidence in the safety of food supplies in Europe has decreased significantly as a result of a number of food scares that took place in the second half of the 1990s that are unrelated to GM foods. This has also had an impact on discussions about the acceptability of GM foods. Consumers have questioned the validity of risk assessments, both with regard to consumer health and environmental risks, focusing in particular on long-term effects. Other topics for debate by consumer organizations have included allergenicity and antimicrobial resistance. Consumer concerns have triggered a discussion on the desirability of labelling GM foods, allowing an informed choice. At the same time, it has proved difficult to detect traces of GMOs in foods: this means that very low concentrations often cannot be detected.

                    Q14. How has this concern affected the marketing of GM foods in the European Union?

                    The public concerns about GM food and GMOs in general have had a significant impact on the marketing of GM products in the European Union (EU). In fact, they have resulted in the so-called moratorium on approval of GM products to be placed on the market. Marketing of GM food and GMOs in general are the subject of extensive legislation. Community legislation has been in place since the early 1990s. The procedure for approval of the release of GMOs into the environment is rather complex and basically requires agreement between the Member States and the European Commission. Between 1991 and 1998, the marketing of 18 GMOs was authorized in the EU by a Commission decision.

                    As of October 1998, no further authorizations have been granted and there are currently 12 applications pending. Some Member States have invoked a safeguard clause to temporarily ban the placing on the market in their country of GM maize and oilseed rape products. There are currently nine ongoing cases. Eight of these have been examined by the Scientific Committee on Plants, which in all cases deemed that the information submitted by Member States did not justify their bans.

                    During the 1990s, the regulatory framework was further extended and refined in response to the legitimate concerns of citizens, consumer organizations and economic operators (described under Question 13). A revised directive will come into force in October 2002. It will update and strengthen the existing rules concerning the process of risk assessment, risk management and decision-making with regard to the release of GMOs into the environment. The new directive also foresees mandatory monitoring of long-term effects associated with the interaction between GMOs and the environment.

                    Labelling in the EU is mandatory for products derived from modern biotechnology or products containing GM organisms. Legislation also addresses the problem of accidental contamination of conventional food by GM material. It introduces a 1% minimum threshold for DNA or protein resulting from genetic modification, below which labelling is not required.

                    In 2001, the European Commission adopted two new legislative proposals on GMOs concerning traceability, reinforcing current labelling rules and streamlining the authorization procedure for GMOs in food and feed and for their deliberate release into the environment.

                    The European Commission is of the opinion that these new proposals, building on existing legislation, aim to address the concerns of Member States and to build consumer confidence in the authorization of GM products. The Commission expects that adoption of these proposals will pave the way for resuming the authorization of new GM products in the EU.

                    Q15. What is the state of public debate on GM foods in other regions of the world?

                    The release of GMOs into the environment and the marketing of GM foods have resulted in a public debate in many parts of the world. This debate is likely to continue, probably in the broader context of other uses of biotechnology (e.g. in human medicine) and their consequences for human societies. Even though the issues under debate are usually very similar (costs and benefits, safety issues), the outcome of the debate differs from country to country. On issues such as labelling and traceability of GM foods as a way to address consumer concerns, there is no consensus to date. This has become apparent during discussions within the Codex Alimentarius Commission over the past few years. Despite the lack of consensus on these topics, significant progress has been made on the harmonization of views concerning risk assessment. The Codex Alimentarius Commission is about to adopt principles on premarket risk assessment, and the provisions of the Cartegena Protocol on Biosafety also reveal a growing understanding at the international level.

                    Most recently, the humanitarian crisis in southern Africa has drawn attention to the use of GM food as food aid in emergency situations. A number of governments in the region raised concerns relating to environmental and food safety fears. Although workable solutions have been found for distribution of milled grain in some countries, others have restricted the use of GM food aid and obtained commodities which do not contain GMOs.

                    Q16. Are people’s reactions related to the different attitudes to food in various regions of the world?

                    Depending on the region of the world, people often have different attitudes to food. In addition to nutritional value, food often has societal and historical connotations, and in some instances may have religious importance. Technological modification of food and food production can evoke a negative response among consumers, especially in the absence of good communication on risk assessment efforts and cost/benefit evaluations.

                    Q17. Are there implications for the rights of farmers to own their crops?

                    Yes, intellectual property rights are likely to be an element in the debate on GM foods, with an impact on the rights of farmers. Intellectual property rights (IPRs), especially patenting obligations of the TRIPS Agreement (an agreement under the World Trade Organization concerning trade-related aspects of intellectual property rights) have been discussed in the light of their consequences on the further availability of a diversity of crops. In the context of the related subject of the use of gene technology in medicine, WHO has reviewed the conflict between IPRs and an equal access to genetic resources and the sharing of benefits. The review has considered potential problems of monopolization and doubts about new patent regulations in the field of genetic sequences in human medicine. Such considerations are likely to also affect the debate on GM foods.

                    Q18. Why are certain groups concerned about the growing influence of the chemical industry on agriculture?

                    Certain groups are concerned about what they consider to be an undesirable level of control of seed markets by a few chemical companies. Sustainable agriculture and biodiversity benefit most from the use of a rich variety of crops, both in terms of good crop protection practices as well as from the perspective of society at large and the values attached to food. These groups fear that as a result of the interest of the chemical industry in seed markets, the range of varieties used by farmers may be reduced mainly to GM crops. This would impact on the food basket of a society as well as in the long run on crop protection (for example, with the development of resistance against insect pests and tolerance of certain herbicides). The exclusive use of herbicide-tolerant GM crops would also make the farmer dependent on these chemicals. These groups fear a dominant position of the chemical industry in agricultural development, a trend which they do not consider to be sustainable.

                    Q19. What further developments can be expected in the area of GMOs?

                    Future GM organisms are likely to include plants with improved disease or drought resistance, crops with increased nutrient levels, fish species with enhanced growth characteristics and plants or animals producing pharmaceutically important proteins such as vaccines. At the international level, the response to new developments can be found in the expert consultations organized by FAO and WHO in 2000 and 2001, and the subsequent work of the Codex ad hoc Task Force on Foods Derived from Biotechnology. This work has resulted in an improved and harmonized framework for the risk assessment of GM foods in general. Specific questions, such as the evaluation of allergenicity of GM foods or the safety of foods derived from GM microorganisms, have been covered and an expert consultation organized by FAO and WHO will focus on foods derived from GM animals in 2003.

                    Q20. What is WHO doing to improve the evaluation of GM foods?

                    WHO will take an active role in relation to GM foods, primarily for two reasons:

                    (1) on the grounds that public health could benefit enormously from the potential of biotechnology, for example, from an increase in the nutrient content of foods, decreased allergenicity and more efficient food production; and (2) based on the need to examine the potential negative effects on human health of the consumption of food produced through genetic modification, also at the global level. It is clear that modern technologies must be thoroughly evaluated if they are to constitute a true improvement in the way food is produced. Such evaluations must be holistic and all-inclusive, and cannot stop at the previously separated, non-coherent systems of evaluation focusing solely on human health or environmental effects in isolation.

                    Work is therefore under way in WHO to present a broader view of the evaluation of GM foods in order to enable the consideration of other important factors. This more holistic evaluation of GM organisms and GM products will consider not only safety but also food security, social and ethical aspects, access and capacity building. International work in this new direction presupposes the involvement of other key international organizations in this area. As a first step, the WHO Executive Board will discuss the content of a WHO report covering this subject in January 2003. The report is being developed in collaboration with other key organizations, notably FAO and the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP). It is hoped that this report could form the basis for a future initiative towards a more systematic, coordinated, multi-organizational and international evaluation of certain GM foods

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                  • REVIEW一下DDT(Mankind’s most controversial chemical ever) 的简单历史吧,用了差不多半个世纪的时间,才明白了它对环境和人类的危害性.
                    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1874---------DDT (Dichloro-diphenyl-trichloroethane), for many years one of the most widely used pesticidal chemicals in the United States, was first synthesized.

                    1939---------Its effectiveness as an insecticide, however, was only discovered .

                    during World War II--------the U.S. began producing large quantities of DDT for control of vector-borne diseases such as typhus and malaria abroad.

                    After 1945------agricultural and commercial usage of DDT became widespread in the U.S.During the 30 years prior to its .During the 30 years prior to its cancellation, a total of approximately 1,350,000,000 pounds of DDT was used domestically.

                    After 1959----- DDT usage in the U.S. declined greatly

                    Beginning in 1967-------the Environmental Defense Fund, the National Audubon Society, the National Wildlife Federation, the Izaak Walton League and other environmental groups became increasingly active in initiating court proceedings leading to the restriction of DDT use at both local and Federal levels.

                    On December 2, 1970--------major responsibility for Federal regulation of pesticides was transferred to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

                    On October 21, 1972--------the Federal Environmental Pesticides Control Act, a far-reaching amendment to the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA) was enacted.

                    http://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/history/topics/ddt/02.html

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    • 有啥效果?腰不疼了,饭量大了?
    • 什么不是转基因食品呢?
    • 豆腐为啥得少吃?因为黄豆专基因吗?
      • 大豆和玉米是典型的转基因作物.
        现在,很少是非转基因的作物了,是的话,grocery store都标着 organic food。

        据说,欧盟在控制转基因食品,走在前列。
        • 看电视上, 专家还推荐豆复. 另外, 转基因食物有害是否有根据?
          • 目前还没有证据证明转基因有害,但有无数具有很强“文科思维”的人愿意相信转基因有害。
            • 这文科理科思维在这上有区别吗?
              • 有!“理科思维”是用事实导出结论,“文科思维”是依结论“寻找”事实。
                • 这是人与人思维的区别,不是理科文科思维的区别。。。我没有文科思维,但我相信这转基因对身体没有什么好处。。。
                  • 没关系,这只是我个人的命名方法,分别称做“愚笨“和”聪明“也可以。
                    • 那更有歧视嫌疑了
                      • 我是说理科思维是承认自己”愚笨“,文科思维是总是觉得比别人聪明。
                        • 好像又扭曲了:-)
                          • 你看你看, 你们俩扭来扭去的, 象"挨踢"了似的.
                    • WOW,人类就无法做有逻辑的前瞻性的预测? 又不是一,两百年前的世界.
                    • 缺省的选项不同,有的人缺省选项是有害,要证明无害;其他人的缺省选项无害。
            • 了解一下"滴滴梯"的产生和发展历史吧. 看过有关的记录片,刚开始,把"滴滴梯"吹的神乎其神的,象喷水车一样的在居民区喷树木,植物,还做出广告片,向一群野餐的小孩身上喷.恐怖.
              • 耳朵妹妹,我个人给rolia上几位文史哲大师的建议一样:多学点自然科学的知识就更完美了。最关键是学会用事实导出结论。
                • 从小看十万个为什么长大的,一家人都是理科思维. 不过别把我和那几个人放一块,不一样.你别和他们辩来辩去的又跑到另一个极端.
                  • 今天有空,没煮鸡蛋去当堂慰劳mohawk warriors - the guardians of the sacred fire?lol
                • 事实导结论是对的,但哪些是事实,哪些是opinion,并不是很好区分的。
                • 你所谓的科学事实可能还真不是科学事实. 现阶段任何的科学理论和实验结果,最好看看到底科学家和实验室的资金是从哪来的.
                  • 耳朵妹妹,说绕口令您水平比我高,我口吃。
                    • 和饶口令有什么关系. 就象是我看的那部蜜蜂神密消失的片子. 欧洲发现同样问题后,禁了几种杀虫剂,美国就禁不了.为什么? 杜邦的实验室出的报告,而杜邦又是杀虫剂的最大生产厂商之一.
                      • 这个我们好像讨论过。到现在为止还不能确定蜜蜂消失是由于农药引起的。那么禁用农药就毫无根据。
        • 其实如果想着人类发展也就是靠吃转基因生存下去的也许就坦然很多了
    • 躲恐怕是躲不掉的。番茄,土豆,蔗糖,夏威夷木瓜,棉花。全是转基因,大米也快了。估计北美大部分食物制成品里都有转基因的成分,比如油,糖等等。
      • 居统计,北美60%以上的食物含转基因成分。美国食用转基因食品有20年的历史了。
      • 所以吃点organic food,只是精神上胜利一把,心情一好,多吃两碗,也算有益健康。转基因食品到处都是无法回避,人类在人工转基因产品中生活这么多年,要灭绝也早就出现症候了。
    • 沒办法,只要到超市看看,大部分菜和果个头大小一样,你就知道都是转基因。
    • 士嘉堡西面有个地方可以挖到上好的观音土,趁还没有被转基因,赶快去挖几车,吃不完可以埋到后院,坚壁起来,几代人都可以不用因为转基因农作物泛滥发愁鸟。
      • 那是干嘛用的?需要开光吗?
        • 据XX百科:“...观音土,又称白鳝泥,是一种白色的软泥,饥饿时可以当成食物,吃下暂时解除饥饿感.....” 没提到开光有没有效果。
    • 请教各位老师童鞋:袁隆平院士的“杂交水稻”应该不算转基因产品吧?那么“杂交”和转基因的区别在那里呢?育种过程中经常用到的核辐射诱变和化学诱变又和转基因技术有什么区别呢?
      • 转基因==强奸;其他的是志愿的,可能是两口子。
    • 半年前,一个同事发给每人一页纸的资料,我不知他的权威性如何,摘录如下:
      What is a GMO?

      Genetically modified organism (GMOs) are made by forcing genes from one species, such as bacteria, virus, animal, or humans, into the DNA of a food crop or animal to introduce a new trait

      Visit (responsibletechnology.org) to learn more.

      Tips to avoid GMOs

      Tip1: Buy organic
      Certified organic product cannot internationally include any GMO intergradient. Buy product labeled “100% organic,” “organic” or “made with organic ingredients”

      Tip2: Look for Non-GMO Project Seal
      Products with this seal are independently verified to be compliance with North American’s only third party standard for GMO avoidance.

      Tip3: Avoid at-risk intergradient
      Avoid the product with intergradient that might be derived from GMOs. The eight GM food crops are Corn, Soybeans, Canola, Cottonseeds, Sugar beets, Hawaiian Papaya and small amount of Zucchini and Yellow Squash.

      Tip4: download the Guide
      NonGMOShoppingGuide.com


      所以,大家别在团购豆浆机了。
      • 根据楼上的那些逻辑,为什么不能认为这是卖organic的营销手段呢?