Good questions, would like to see LZ's comment too, here is my two cents. -gigibydesk(热爱生活) @巴尔的摩华人论坛:巴尔的摩枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Baltimore

工作学习 / 事业与工作 / 移民七周年小文纪念 -hjh108(QQQQ); 2008-6-15 {2685} (#4503102@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛June 13 2001 -- that is the day when I came to Canada. Time flies, I just cannot imagine that I have actually been here THAT long!

Still remember clearly what happened 7 years ago........

The sadness of leaving parents, the unsecure feeling of the future, and the ambition. I was so sure that I was just a visitor to Canada, and would go back to China after I get the citizenship and get some education certificates that can help my career.

But I stayed, I stayed here for 7 years already, and will very likely to stay for my life. Canada -- a country makes me feel that everything is possible, a country makes me feel I am free, a country that I am pround of.

Still remember the hardness of settling down. The first night I stayed in a small room in a big house with only one simple bed and dirty dirty beding. I lived in that small room for 3 days until I found a temporary room in Jane / Sheppard area. The rental market was so bad that time, almost no chance to find somewhere decent to live. I could not afford to live in a hotel any way.

Still remember that I actually went into Price Chopper and wished that they could give me a cashier job to start with. I did talk to the manager and of course they did not hire me.

Still remember that I sent out more than 10 resumes everyday. For how long? I can not remember. But all I can remember is that I did not stop doing that until I was hired by IBM. I thank God for that, God has always been very generous to me. There are lots of miracles in my life. I honestly do not think those miracles could have happened without God. (I probably will write another blog about these miracles later on)

Still remember that my first CGA course (FA3). With my limited accounting knowledge, it was really hard, but I survived. I did pretty well in all my CGA courses and got the designation in 2005.

Still remember that the first time I went to Niagara, and was surprised by its magnificence. Niagara is always one of my favorite scenery spots ever since.

Still remember the first time to see heavy heavy snow. I would like to thank M who made my first winter not that miserable.

Still remember that I had to stand beside the TTC driver, just to be sure that I got off the right stop.

Still remember the first time I saw the beautiful maple leaves turning red, so peaceful.

Still remember my little house actually had W&D, A&J and K living happily together. Although we are all over GTA now, but we will always be very good friends.

Still remember lots, lots and lots…..

Immigrating to Canada is one of the two most wonderful decisions I have made in my life. I am proud of myself!!!更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

zhongwenluntanaaaa -wei276(tola); 2008-6-15 (#4503262@0)
Thanks for sharing your nice words and experience! -sailor(月亮之上); 2008-6-15 (#4503382@0)
写的不错,楼主在这里呆了7年,想必事业也小成了.看到楼主这么自豪,想问一个困扰我以久的问题. -t2003cn(david); 2008-6-15 {292} (#4503477@0)
在我初来到加拿大的时候,也曾感到十分自信与乐观. 但前段ZD风波过后, 才知道西方社会对中国是戴着有色眼镜的. 华人被边缘化. 政治没地位, 媒体也不表达.
请问楼主是如何处理这些问题的?

我也来了5年, 大公司里做, 薪水不少, 却看不到升管理层的希望, 因为文化,语言都不甚相同.
请问楼主是如何处理这些问题的?

就做你自己呗. -denny(DEN); 2008-6-16 (#4503764@0)

To t2003cn(David) -hjh108(QQQQ); 2008-6-16 {627} (#4504230@0)
Never want to talk about politics again after Jun4 1989.
Try to pursue a happier life, a life that I really want.
My understanding is that happy life and successful life are not the same.
We know life is not fair, life is not perfect. But I think I am blessed.
We know race discrimination exists every where, so I choose not to complain. (In my opinion, Canada is almost the best country as far as race discrimination is concerned)

Career is just part of life. Maybe I am not longer that ambitious, but I know I would be happier if I choose to do what I want to do, and never judge myself by what status I can reach.

Thanks for your reply. -t2003cn(david); 2008-6-16 (#4505075@0)

Good questions, would like to see LZ's comment too, here is my two cents. -gigibydesk(热爱生活); 2008-6-16 {817} (#4504452@0)
看不到升管理层的希望, 因为文化,语言都不甚相同.
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这个好像是很多人的共同困惑，我是这么想的，假如我们在中国，文化语言都相同的情况下，在同一级别的公司，是不是就有更多的机会上升到管理层？好像不一定，在中国见到的大的外资公司，比如google,ibm，gm 一类竞争都比较激烈，做经理比这里容易吗？在中国的外企还公平点，别的国企私营、政府单位什么的，是语言文化还是背景手段关系更重要？中国很多潜规则是不是一样普遍歧视？语言文化还可以努力一把，如果比年龄，性别，父母势力，户口，怎样努力呢？确实看到同学朋友在国内做上管理的，能力比自己强吗？强的不必说了，如果不强的他们的背景是什么？与他们竞争的人和国外与你竞争的人的比如何？自己成功的定义是外在的还是内在的成长？

工作几年看不到上升会不会也一样在中国发生？如果客观的分析自己能力达到了，建议先考虑换个公司，因为每个公司的机会都很不一样，确实有些公司提供的机会多很多。

“万般皆下品、唯有读书高”和“学而优则仕”的观念已经深深地烙在了很多中国人的脑海里。如果带着这些观念来衡量我们在加拿大的生活，除了失望我们得不到别的。 -copperbean(豆泡松果之铜豌豆); 2008-6-16 {260} (#4504467@0)
既然来了，就尝试着满足于有一份工作、有一个家、有可爱的孩子吧！这些都并非遥不可及。可悲的倒是带着满脑袋的中国观念在北美讨生活，什么主流啊、管理层啊、呼风唤雨啊，这些东西本来就离人的本性很远，不如现在就承认：我得不到这些东西，但我知道我快乐的人生可以与它们无关。

分人.有的人就喜欢钻营,并在其中寻求快感. -denny(DEN); 2008-6-16 (#4504589@0)

事业上有所追求是好事，观察一些职场上的国人是一种综合素质的竞争力不够，往往不是语言而是想法的差距。不要轻易向外归因有利提高。 -gigibydesk(热爱生活); 2008-6-16 (#4504614@0)

能力都不差啊. -denny(DEN); 2008-6-16 (#4504640@0)

什么是能力？ -copperbean(豆泡松果之铜豌豆); 2008-6-16 (#4504656@0)
不是说技术能力呀，关键是与人相处交流处理冲突，组织管理能力等。 -gigibydesk(热爱生活); 2008-6-16 (#4504665@0)

大部分中国人比较内向.外向的,中国人也被自己人弄内向了. -denny(DEN); 2008-6-16 (#4504695@0)

你说的不错。 -t2003cn(david); 2008-6-16 (#4505078@0)

你说的“读书” “仕途”并不是我讨论的话题。我说的是事业和事业心. -t2003cn(david); 2008-6-16 {232} (#4505070@0)
无论你在哪里，事业都是生活中不可缺少的部分，就像你看重的家庭一样。缺了任何一样你的生活都是缺憾。得不到的，说自己不想要，恐怕说多了自己都相信了。

如果想要，就要追求一下，就像你当初来加拿大的追求一样。在你放弃之前，永远都没有失败。

"在你放弃之前，永远都没有失败" -denny(DEN); 2008-6-16 (#4505425@0)

你说的不错。现在迷茫可能是因为在中国我知道怎么做，这里暂时还没找到合适的方法。 -t2003cn(david); 2008-6-16 (#4505083@0)

从我做起，改变加拿大。1 踊跃参政，最基本的就是别浪费自己手中的选票。只要你投了，不管投给谁。就是要告诉政客们，华人的声音不可忽视。2无愧自己，无愧他人，做人堂堂正正。3路见不平一声吼，决不缩头。媒体敢不公，我就敢上街抗议。让他们知道华人不好惹。 -tianyahaike(逗你玩儿); 2008-6-16 (#4505168@0)

Good point too. It will take time. Our children will get benefits. -t2003cn(david); 2008-6-16 (#4505253@0)

把视野放宽些。这世界上并不是就只有那点事；这生活也不只是周围左右的琐事烦恼。人在高处，自然心境宽广。 -jazzjoe(四川！中国！); 2008-6-22 (#4516191@0)
你的成功是去主宰别人，而不是自己。试着去发现和理解自己比主宰别人更重要。 -9z9z(9z9z); 2008-6-22 (#4516424@0)
我们公司的internal auditor director level 1 是个从上海过来的中国女士，来了９年了，手下有各色人种。她的people skill and communication skill is execllent -rabbitjessy(QQ); 2008-6-28 {486} (#4527702@0)
. 大多数移民吃kui在这样的软肋上，你要注重这方面的能力。我在现在公司二年，从一个最底层的cordinator开始，现在是junior executive level，去年一整年是在公司的future executive training program.训练最多的就是leadership ,people and communication skills. 硬技术活大家都能学会，要拼的就是leading ppl and team. 套一句广告用语“一切以人为本”，特别是大公司。其实在大公司做到中层是不难的，要做到中上管理层那真得是软硬都有一套，我都能看到自已在未来三年内做到中层，如果我不想生小孩，一年半就可以了。
另外在加一句，从你的comment来看，你从内心就很against这里的很多文化和东西。任何国家都会有偏见的人，你要多看正面的。Be postive and focus on postive， -rabbitjessy(QQ); 2008-6-28 {217} (#4527707@0)
还有不要过分敏感，要open mind and listen different perspective ,even sometimes they are very negative. 其实只要努力，你领导力，公司会提升你的。 Belive in yourself, you can make difference and you can make the change!

呵呵，多谢. 以前只看到你SHOW衣服，没想到还在工作上也有一套。我觉得可能我这一段有点迷失方向。俗话说人无远虑，必有近忧。如果我找到了下一个目标，就不会为这些烦恼了。 -t2003cn(david); 2008-7-1 (#4532968@0)

困惑也不错，说明到了一个level的瓶颈，也就是下一站的起点了。俗话也说，-- 行到水穷处，坐看云起时。^_^ -gigibydesk(TS); 2008-7-2 (#4534782@0)
建议看一本书叫 From good to Great，讲公司culture and leadership development.。如果没有记错的话，那书里有一个叫Hedge dog concept -rabbitjessy(QQ); 2008-7-2 {347} (#4534930@0)
，用这个概念来讲职业，有三种职业，一种是你与生俱来的本事，比如说超级歌手，一种是人家愿意出钱请你做的职业，最后一种是你最喜欢和最想做的。如果你能定位到这三种理想职业的中间部分，就是你与生俱来，你非常喜欢做别人也能出大价钱请你做的职业，你就不迷忙了。不过这个要花很长时间才能找到，慢慢来。还是建议你多看一些讲公司文化，人际关系的书，这会对你有帮助的

说到From Good to Great, 这个书的作者和我们老板还有些渊源，曾经也在我们公司做过一些Resarch. 有机会倒是要看看。 -t2003cn(david); 2008-7-3 (#4535080@0)

after 7 years, your english still sucks -heresy(arcadia); 2008-6-16 (#4503736@0)

没瞧出搂主的英文怎么sucks了，文章通顺，文法也没有什么错误，难道你能写出更好的？ -feichangzhongguo(非常中国); 2008-6-16 (#4503818@0)

That may be true to arcadians. Their English is often excellent. :( -axe(Just A Joke); 2008-6-16 (#4503842@0)

这个我比较有发言权 -wade(wade); 2008-6-16 {93} (#4504250@0)
有的ACADIAN英语不行，法语也不行。不过在这个坛子上发言，能看懂就行了，太挑
别人语言怪不厚道的

语言错误还是不少的.但是和所表达的内容比, 实在没什么. 支持下楼主吧. Still remember, I was like him/her.... -coolmao(酷猫*TheHost); 2008-6-22 (#4516023@0)

Still remember, I was like him/her.... 瞧不出这句话哪错了？高人给指点一下，谢了！ -feichangzhongguo(非常中国); 2008-6-22 (#4516409@0)

大侠, 这句是我写的, 没错的.... 我们又不是在评英语考卷.不要太严肃嘛. -coolmao(酷猫*TheHost); 2008-6-22 (#4516477@0)

本来不是在考评英语，但是既然大家已经发了这么多议论，咱们自己也看不出头绪，所以希望高人把具体的错误指出来，咱们也好学习学习，大家可以共同提高，希望大家知无不言，言无不尽 -feichangzhongguo(非常中国); 2008-6-22 (#4516484@0)

虽然比不上莎士比亚的诗歌那么优美，不过也还将就看。 -zu1uking(煮卤王); 2008-6-16 (#4503821@0)

当然了，象lz这种英文，莎士比亚也写不出来 -atomo(杜其衍); 2008-6-16 (#4504303@0)

I think his/her English is not bad. What else are you expecting? Are you expecting a professional writer? Writing is not about elaborating; it is all about using the heart to write, to express authentic feelings. -zypher(zypher); 2008-6-21 (#4515390@0)
难得糊涂，难得糊涂啊。几百年前的人就明白了，对我们却这么难呢？用赵本山的话说，领会精神！哈哈。 -jazzjoe(四川！中国！); 2008-6-22 (#4516198@0)

这分明是心情随笔么。：-） -canoneye(为祖国祈祷); 2008-6-16 (#4503748@0)
呵呵，英语啊，英语啊！ -lookaround(没事儿看看); 2008-6-16 (#4503836@0)
Good for you! It is always nice to enjoy life, enjoy the sadness and happiness of making the life. Everything is possible! This is also what Canada tells me. Enjoy it, my friend. -jazzjoe(四川！中国！); 2008-6-22 (#4516004@0)
如果你有三千英语词汇量，也仅仅是小学水平。如果你有掌握同样数量的中文字，那可是电脑里的全部常用字了。为什么用一个小学生的词汇量来表达一个成人的感想呢？ -innn(inn); 2008-6-22 (#4516031@0)

The goal is to express complex concepts using common vocabulary. -hieveryone(外婆的澎湖湾); 2008-6-22 (#4516097@0)

complex concepts? 在哪呢？哪一条是？没找出来． -innn(inn); 2008-6-22 (#4516105@0)

emotions, feelings -hieveryone(外婆的澎湖湾); 2008-6-22 (#4516128@0)

同样困惑。而且，词汇量仅仅是一个因素。也许比较自信。我不自信，所以不会。 -qgomle(花瓣木吉他); 2008-6-22 (#4516253@0)

为了表达，人发明了语言；为了表达准确，人发明了语法；为了表达丰满，人发明了高级词汇。如果语法有问题，词汇了了，标题用中文而正文是英语(证明楼主输入中文不存在技术上的困难），的确难怪大家有所微词。 -innn(inn); 2008-6-22 (#4516340@0)

please. english skills or grammar errors are not what we are supposed to see here. if there is any piece of word you can't understand, go ahead and ask, I bet that the post owner would like to explain. -knight(蓝梦); 2008-6-23 (#4518637@0)

谢谢您，不必了，“小学生常用单词”咱都认识。纵观楼上所有微词的贴子，无论用母语中文的或用西方英文的发言，没人提出有不认识的单词。就别替楼主招揽多余任务了 -innn(inn); 2008-6-23 (#4518707@0)

I like the way you expressed your authentic feelings in this article which actually aroused the same feelings of the readers. Also expecting your next one about those miracle happened in your life. -liliyar_chen(粒粒橙-皮皮狗的最爱); 2008-6-22 (#4516098@0)

Still remember, I was like him/her.... 瞧不出这句话哪错了？高人给指点一下，谢了！ - -feichangzhongguo(非常中国); 2008-6-22 (#4516411@0)

坛上的高人给这篇文章挑挑错，哪写的不对给指出来，也让水平一般的移民们都涨涨见识，别光写写空泛的议论，来点实在的 -feichangzhongguo(非常中国); 2008-6-22 (#4516415@0)

Here -hilary(hilary); 2008-6-25 {413} (#4522357@0)
Other than a few typos, it's a nice article with no grammar errors. She can easily pass CGA. Her TOEFL is above 270/300, or above 650 if you are more familiar with the old score. People here are very mean and jealous about other's success. They don't understand proper English grammar so called it "mistake". If you want to learn English, learn from hers. I especially like her confidence and spirit. Thanks.

Agree, I am wondering why those people have to act like this, -ilbob(bigboy); 2008-6-26 {206} (#4523899@0)
haven't they been taught that if you can't say something nice you just don't say it. why don't someone who picked on her English just step up and rewrite it and let's see what your perfect english is.

好奇问下, 是谁教你的:if you can't say something nice you just don't say it.?, 再解释下what your perfect english is. 是什么意思啊? -coolmao(酷猫*TheHost); 2008-6-26 (#4523920@0)

你父母小时候没教过你吗? -ilbob(bigboy); 2008-6-26 (#4524036@0)

哦, 看来你一直是个乖宝宝. mom's boy. 扯远了, 爱怎么样就怎么样吧, 不跟你玩了. -coolmao(酷猫*TheHost); 2008-6-26 (#4524083@0)

Keywords -shaoxing(绍兴师爷); 2008-6-26 {8} (#4524072@0)
IBM, CGA
LZ写得很好，完全是自己的感受。但不知道为什么看着特别别扭，“a country makes me feel that everything is possible, a country makes me feel I am free“我无话可说，“a country that I am proud of”看着难受！ -watel(Watel); 2008-7-1 {111} (#4532919@0)
我出国8年多了，但是我一直认为中国是我最值得自豪的祖国！没感觉当加拿大人有什么好自豪的？可能还没有无处其中真谛！

选国籍和选老公/老婆一样，都已经用脚投了票了，说得再好有什么用。真觉得中国好就该留在中国，真爱那个人，就会和他/她分享一生，白头到老。你说了再多的好话，却没有选择那个人，只能说，在你内心的深处，有真正最爱愿意共度一生的另一个人。对吧！ -feichangzhongguo(非常中国); 2008-7-1 (#4532991@0)

每次在网上看到这种讲法就很讨厌。我会用我自己的方式回报我感恩的人或事。你不需要告诉我或给我预定框框说该怎么做。出国本身根本就是谋求个人发展，和爱不爱国浑身没有关系！我就算呆在国内，也是要谋求个人发展，不因为我在国内做同样的事情就意味着精忠报国！ -watel(Watel); 2008-7-3 (#4535447@0)

So what's the other most wonderful decision you made in your life? Hope you don't mind telling. -ordinaryguy(Ordinary Guy); 2008-7-2 (#4534071@0)

I landed in Canada on the same day you did. June 13th, 2001 -hljren(hljren); 2008-7-10 {651} (#4548161@0)
I landed in Canada on the same day you did. June 13th, 2001. But I came back to China after getting my MBA degree.I and my wife could not find a job and my family lived under severe pressure.Saddness and bitterness are the impressions that still hurt me now. Ironically, last night, I and my wife were talking about sending our daughter to Canada college after her finishing her senior high school. Although I failed to surivie in Canada, it does not mean Canada is not better than China. It is not a country suiting me. It is still the dream land of my soul although achieved big successes in both careera and business in the past 7 years in China.
No offense. I think if you put "My wife and I...." instead of "I and my wife...." It will be easier for surviving in Canada. ^_^ -half(半文钱); 2008-7-12 (#4553165@0)

@Baltimore

Good questions, would like to see LZ's comment too, here is my two cents.

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