Congratulation! -sr-71(Blackbird) @巴尔的摩华人论坛:巴尔的摩枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Baltimore

工作学习 / 事业与工作 / 2005年9月版新移民，得offer的一点体会，敲的比较快，会有点错别字，见谅。--语言和运气 -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-24 {5821} (#2626250@0)

这个是续集 -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-24 (#2626308@0)

多谢您的分享，这个对我有很大鼓励。我投简历100多份还没有一个电话，比较沮丧中。 -aurevoir(aurevoir); 2005-11-24 (#2626370@0)

那说明你的简历有问题，找一些在工作的业内人士帮忙看看吧。 -diao_david(乐观主义者); 2005-11-24 (#2626413@0)

大哥，他们面试都问什么句子？你怎么回答。我急用。 -newlady(刚来，C++程序员); 2005-11-25 (#2627472@0)

Congratulations, Eric! Don't forget to help new comer in the future. Jay. -birdjay(Jay); 2005-11-24 (#2626424@0)
请问，你是从哪里看到有Job Fair的？ -orientalplaza(orientalplaza); 2005-11-24 (#2626505@0)

workopolis上的一个公司招聘，正好是直接面试，所以就去了，所以说也是运气。每个人老天都会给几次运气票的。 -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-25 (#2626956@0)
There is a company is hiring people now. BLUECAT NETWORKS, http://www.bluecatnetworks.com/ -birdjay(Jay); 2005-11-25 (#2627560@0)

Manager name is: Sheraton Parkway -birdjay(Jay); 2005-11-25 (#2627573@0)
谢谢！我是找J2EE的，该公司好像是NetWork的，不知道具体要求什么？ -orientalplaza(orientalplaza); 2005-11-25 (#2627685@0)

They are looking for Java Developer now. -birdjay(Jay); 2005-11-25 (#2627763@0)

非常感谢你，你的经历对像我们这样的，后来登陆的新移民非常有用处，问一下雇主面试时考的最多或者问的最多是那些技术问题啊（我也是要找J2EE Developer方面的工作） -bbc007(peterit); 2005-11-25 (#2627073@0)

如果senior方面的，主要是OO设计方面的多，想各种内部类和静态类一定要能说出个所以然，一定要花时间把这些东西先写出来。切记！J2EE方面的考的很浅，什么Struts的几个重要的部分了，各个部分如何工作的，EJB的设计模式，知道哪几个 -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-25 {171} (#2627142@0)
我估计那些人对一些新技术如Spring，MDB也知道的不多，所以一般只问个大概，不会细。倒是OO方面很细。还有的会出编程题，一般很简单，但做好手边备好纸和笔。写下来，我就吃了一个亏。

太感谢你了，以后找工作中有些问题还要多问问你啊。 -bbc007(peterit); 2005-11-26 (#2628792@0)

好啊，大家在外面，应该尽量互相帮助的。：) -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-30 (#2636770@0)

不错啊.考你一下:既然Spring已经有build-in web framework,为什么还要用Struts? -nissanxterra(我是来捣乱的); 2005-11-26 (#2628799@0)

既然Spring已经有build-in web framework,当然可以不用struts. However, Spring MVC no good, struts no good neither, I would choose webwork for my mvc framework. -xanada(㊣流水); 2005-11-26 (#2628912@0)

我还想听到是:很简单,因为Struts比较成熟,IDE support的也全,会Struts的人比较多. Whatever we do, should finally be driven by business needs. -nissanxterra(我是来捣乱的); 2005-11-26 (#2629044@0)

个人认为，实际上这两年技术的发展实际上越来越接近人的常规思维，即现实模型<->实现模型的映射。早先的汇编应该是很麻烦的 -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-26 {461} (#2628928@0)
它的映射途径最长，现在基于组件的模型，特别想Spring的这种依赖注入，很大的缩短了这种映射的路径，甚至显示模型－和实现模型每个部分都可以对应起来。AOP提供了从另一个视图实现系统的手段。所以越后来出的框架，在其解决问题的思路上就越简单，但是框架本身的实现应该会更加复杂些，但也不一定。

这个都是我自己瞎想的一些东西，主要参考了Genarld. M. Wenberg的系统设计的一般原理中的内容。如果这样和interviewer说，肯定死定，估计大多数人会认为你胡说八道。所以答案还是要找标准答案。

很有意思啊比我强多了.能悟到这层应该做了不少,也读了不少了.可惜我现在不做CODING了.至于面试,我觉得还得说这些.人家不爱听,这工作也没傻干头,对吧?PAPER TEST?自己做去吧. -nissanxterra(我是来捣乱的); 2005-11-26 (#2629039@0)

呵呵，中学的时候就听赵传唱：生存和生命的尊严哪个更重要。 -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-26 (#2629221@0)

做自己喜欢的才能做得好吧.只要你喜欢就一定能做好,只要做好了,就一定有饭吃.就是能不能坚持的问题. -nissanxterra(我是来捣乱的); 2005-11-26 (#2629585@0)

做好了,没有市场,照样没饭吃. -lifesurfer(lifesurfer); 2005-11-28 (#2632494@0)

是啊，再发展估计是1年后的计划了。毕竟新环境要熟悉熟悉的。现在实际上还是有种飘忽不定感。 -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-30 (#2636775@0)

Congratulation! -sr-71(Blackbird); 2005-11-25 {88} (#2627086@0)
写得很好，推荐大家都看看。英文的确很关键，不需要能像当地人那样，但是至少能够听懂别人的话，你说的别人也能听懂。也再次验证了某人以前说过的，如果有很多agent找你了，说明你离成功已经很近很近。 -kuiling(kuiling); 2005-11-25 (#2627148@0)
你是把简历放在网上，然后中介就来找你？还是你直接找过中介？还是你在网上投了简历给某些招聘？ -realpangxie(匿名); 2005-11-25 (#2627691@0)

他们找我的多，我自己投的什么CNCgloble,eagle，CGI，workbrain。。。根本不理我。 -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-25 (#2628014@0)

usually, an agent wants to make a big money from you. For a new comer/or non-Sr guys, the agent doesn't want to wast of the time to do. If you find out a job from an agent, -birdjay(Jay); 2005-11-25 {557} (#2628163@0)
this agent can only get money from the company after you have worked with this company more than 6 months, or more. So, ...... This is only one of reasons. Sometimes, the agent never tell you about this, may be he/she will give you other reason after he/she thinks you are not too much strong. So, I think if you are a new comer, you had better find out a job from a company directly.

On other hand, if the company doesn't has too much money, then never to find out an agent to help them........

Be careful, I said, it's usually, not absolutely.
谢谢！也就是说，你把简历放在网上，然后中介就找你了？就是在worlpolis? -realpangxie(匿名); 2005-11-25 (#2628359@0)

as to me, more chances from workopolis.about 10:2 -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-25 (#2628434@0)

thx! -realpangxie(匿名); 2005-11-26 (#2629240@0)

你们夫妇能够以谦逊和尊重互相用英语交谈，实为不易，找到工作也是指日可待。我朋友也曾这样试过，一方一开口另外一方就开始纠正对方的语音错误，用词不当，语法病症等等，还在其他朋友中模仿，嘲笑，最后双方发誓再也不互说英文了。 -archwindoor(Drawings); 2005-11-28 (#2631749@0)

我觉得大家目标首先必须明确和统一，就是把首先能把想表达的尽量表达出来，语言的首要目的不就是这个吗？要真正提高，还得得慢慢来。 -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-28 (#2631847@0)

一个私人问题。Why you could NOT provide reference? 是跟以前的经理闹反了，还是其他原因？ -yahaa(yahaa); 2005-11-28 (#2632764@0)

HR的人说中国的reference他不需要。我和我以前的老板和经理，包括同事最后关系都很好。 -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-29 (#2633747@0)

I do know some Chinese people speaking English at home, and it helps a lot. However, no wonder how bad my English is, I really can't talk in English at home. It's so embarrassing. -lotusinrain(秋阴不散); 2005-11-28 (#2632823@0)

embarrassing at home? then how it feels while out? -axu(axu); 2005-11-28 (#2633134@0)

I won't say never, since some time ago I should be embarrassed speaking English outside, but at that time I felt embarrassed on lots of things. -lotusinrain(秋阴不散); 2005-11-29 {391} (#2633844@0)
To speak English at home will make my family life way less fun, and my life is borning enough in Canada.

On the other hand, I would say it proudly that I haven't failed any telephone interview in Canada unless it doesn't match my background at all (god knows why they want to interview me). However, I haven't met any Chinese in Canada who agree with my approach to improve English :)

I think maybe after we have outside english environment,we will speak English at home. :) -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-29 (#2633751@0)

Speak Chinese at Home. -ericyoung(eric); 2005-11-29 (#2633753@0)

@Baltimore

Congratulation!

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