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How to calculate residence (days spent ouside Canada)

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛How to calculate residence (days spent ouside Canada)

Q: I need some clarification on how to count the number of days spent outside Canada. For example, if I leave Canada on Dec 6 and come back on Dec 9, do I have to deduct 2 or 4 days? Under the current Immigration Act, does time spent outside on assignment by a Canadian company counts towards residency? If so, do I have to list these absences on the application form? BTW, how long does it take for a bill to be enacted into law (at least)?

A: Contrary to what others have posted, if you are in Canada for any portion of the 24 hour day, then you are considered resident in Canada for that day. In your example you would have been absent for 2 days (i.e. Dec. 7 & 8).

Residence under the Immigration Act is from the perspective of maintaining your permanent resident status and it differs from the concept of residence for the purpose of calculating your entitlement to apply for Canadian citizenship under the Citizenship Act. There are differing approaches taken by Citizenship judges and by the Federal Court in interpreting the the concept of reisidence for citizenship purposes. Some take a broad expansive approach while others take a narrower, more technical approach.

You must list all days absent from Canada, irrespective of the reasons for the absence. If you have a number of days outside Canada there is a form which you can obtain from Citizenship Canada (not on the website) entitled "Residency Questionnaire" which you should send with your application. This form notes at the top that residence does not mean actual physical residence.

It is difficult to say when the bill will become law. It was on the order paper in the last session of Parliament but did not pass, so it had to be re-intoduced. The Minister states that she intends to pass the Bill through Parliament this time. If you want to look at the bill and read commentary on it, see:
http://www.ci.gc.ca/english/pdffiles/pub/bill-c16.pdf
http://www.ci.gc.ca/english/pdffiles/pub/c16cls-e.pdf
http://www.ci.gc.ca/english/press/99/9937-pre.html
http://www.ci.gc.ca/english/about/policy/citact2_e.html更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下茶话 / 法律 / 我在过去的四年中离开加拿大一年零三天,不知道申请公民成功的可能性大否?请问谁有类似经验?是否有法律援助可以推荐?
    • 你TMD猪脑子,三天以后申请不就完了,不过本人可以肯定你根本没有在住足三年,心虚!!!!!!!!
      • @_@
      • lol
      • :-)))))) 第七个烧饼
      • 呵呵,你的脑子似乎更那个。。。他那一年零3天也许是近期发生的,过三天申请行吗?得再住三年!
      • 你不懂就不要骂人,如果再多住三天可以解决问题我用得着问吗?如果我没有住满三年我用得着编出这三天吗?希望有谁能诚意提提建议。
      • 笑到桌子地下去了。
        • are you alright right now?
          • yup
            • 儿童不宜
              • hahahhahaha, 100% 八卦!!!
    • Joke? Nice one.
    • 不是专业人士的说法:应该没问题。如果差的太多,需要法官决定。我在满三年的时候申请的,那时候我在加拿大的时间不到1年,被法官遗憾地给拒了。马上又申请(已经又过1年),因为又多了半年在加时间,法官批了
      • 多谢!你填申请表的时候是按不满三年的实际天数填的吗?现在我因为家里有事需要申请完了就回中国,会不会对我这种情况的申请有影响?谢谢!
        • 是的。我想你可以如实填写。移民局就按天数来判定。我觉得差3天,应该问题不大;如果有问题,移民局会把你的案子交给公民法官来判断。我很怀疑为3天之差会移交你的案子。不过,这只是我个人推断。最重要的是你要证明你有根在加拿大
        • 为什么不能推迟3天再回中国?
          • 推迟3天无济于事。因为4年里住满3年,要截断4 year period。推迟3天,那么起始日期也要推后3天,+新的3天,他在加拿大的总天数还是3年-3天
            • 就是说,他必须从那三天后开始计算在加拿大的滞留时间,如果这三天离现在越近,他需要在加拿大呆的时间越长。对不对?
              • 有点那个意思。还要看他这一年零三天是怎么分布的,整个都在境外,还是零散的;还要看是在第一年,还是第二年。。。不管怎么算,要在4年里呆满1095天。为补那3天,他需要更长时间
      • 理论上说,他们判定的是截止到申请日起前的情况,你在不在加问题不大。但是如果见法官的话,你的现状对他的判决是有影响的
      • 你那时适用的可能是旧移民法。理论上,按新移民法,差一天也不行,一定要4年之内住满3年。
        • 有可能。当时我的律师说最好赶在新法之前。据说新法更加严格了
          • 谢谢!你说得没错,为了这三天我还需要住一年而且不能离境。但是现在家里有事需要回去,问题是申请前根在这里,申请后马上离境是否会对我的这种情况有影响?你的律师对你有无帮助? 我目前是否有必要找律师?
    • Should not be a problem
      From my understanding thru. CIC website
      although you did not accumulate 1095 days of physical residence out of 4 years, but that should not be a big problem because first of all, your central life is in Canada, second you just miss 3 days, and its not a bid deal, CIC officer and even the citizenship judge will ever request you for a oral hearing because it is just a waste of time and money for them. (not unless the absences are 100 days or more.
      But your application timeline maybe longer than usual....
    • 实在是不明白。为什么不能多住3天呢?多住3天很难吗?
      • 我估计是在过去4年里,他住了3年-3天。申请时不能是4年+3天,然后住加时间为3年。你的明白?:)我这样理解的
        • 那1年零3天一定是发生在中间,要补回那3天得等好一阵子。
          • 没错。楼主其实没有别的选择,先申请了再说;不过如果理论上这3天有问题的话,他要继续从住加来补,取决于他离加都是什么时候,复杂呢,得用spreadsheet:)
            • 另外有一个问题,在一个网站上看到“if you are in Canada for any portion of the 24 hour day, then you are considered resident in Canada for that day", 不知道是否是真的,是否适用于入籍, 有地方可以证实吗?
              • 我觉得你可以用这个方法把你的那个3天找回来。这样你可能就已经在4年内住满3年多了,就没必要为这个一年零三天担忧了。
                • Thanks, but it only appears on one Website (same as you provided), I called CIC and it seems they don't know this rule, has anybody heard/knew this?
                  • 你就按这个rule来计算吧!
                    • 谢谢!看样子也没有别的选择了,只能试试。
              • 你能否把这个网站的网址贴出来?
              • How to calculate residence (days spent ouside Canada)
                本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛How to calculate residence (days spent ouside Canada)

                Q: I need some clarification on how to count the number of days spent outside Canada. For example, if I leave Canada on Dec 6 and come back on Dec 9, do I have to deduct 2 or 4 days? Under the current Immigration Act, does time spent outside on assignment by a Canadian company counts towards residency? If so, do I have to list these absences on the application form? BTW, how long does it take for a bill to be enacted into law (at least)?

                A: Contrary to what others have posted, if you are in Canada for any portion of the 24 hour day, then you are considered resident in Canada for that day. In your example you would have been absent for 2 days (i.e. Dec. 7 & 8).

                Residence under the Immigration Act is from the perspective of maintaining your permanent resident status and it differs from the concept of residence for the purpose of calculating your entitlement to apply for Canadian citizenship under the Citizenship Act. There are differing approaches taken by Citizenship judges and by the Federal Court in interpreting the the concept of reisidence for citizenship purposes. Some take a broad expansive approach while others take a narrower, more technical approach.

                You must list all days absent from Canada, irrespective of the reasons for the absence. If you have a number of days outside Canada there is a form which you can obtain from Citizenship Canada (not on the website) entitled "Residency Questionnaire" which you should send with your application. This form notes at the top that residence does not mean actual physical residence.

                It is difficult to say when the bill will become law. It was on the order paper in the last session of Parliament but did not pass, so it had to be re-intoduced. The Minister states that she intends to pass the Bill through Parliament this time. If you want to look at the bill and read commentary on it, see:
                http://www.ci.gc.ca/english/pdffiles/pub/bill-c16.pdf
                http://www.ci.gc.ca/english/pdffiles/pub/c16cls-e.pdf
                http://www.ci.gc.ca/english/press/99/9937-pre.html
                http://www.ci.gc.ca/english/about/policy/citact2_e.html更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net