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it is nice to share some idea with you

bridge2k(bridge2k)

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛What I am saying is that every one should make their decision by their own senario. If Canada job market provides good opportunity for non-IT professional, that is great. Not necessary to switch industry at all. But the reality is most non-IT professional immigrants do not have time to go through university and get a job step by step as they did in China. The main concern here is that any China experience is not counted in except that you worked for some world famous company.

Good timing, in my words, I actually mean that IT provided them a good chance, a good start, an area that maybe or partically new to everyone.

I don't think express training will produce professionals. Every professionals are by their own. They learn it by themselves, they upgrage their skills, you may have a strong interest on IT. Without interest and passion, you can only be an average.

Good time do affect lot on individuals. If it was a good time now, more IT guys can find a job easily, isn't it true?

The most important thing I think is that one should do his research, balance his situation, confident and stick on his decision. I believe he will finally get rewards from the life.

Btw, those guys who mentioned windows and Unix are not clear with a fact that Unix is much older and mature than windows.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

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Good point, please continue -isabel(早起早睡身体好); 2003-3-25 (#1104650@0)

Great idea -111111(快乐老家); 2003-3-25 (#1104767@0)

interesting discussion -highjumper(sleeping giant); 2003-3-25 {557} (#1104771@0)

You made some good points.

IT career booming was highly associated with so called "technology revolution". As more and more start-up companies appeared in the market in the late 1990's, a great number of jobs were created. Now the market is adjusting itself, so is the IT jobs market.

Is IT industry coming back? I would say yes, but they would be rather rational in the future. So, for those who have no IT training but intended to throw themselves into that career path, you might think twice about "stick to your gun", which is not a fallacy.

great article. looking forward to reading more of your works. -lusi(丑小鸭); 2003-3-25 (#1104792@0)

It is just a timing issue. All the knowledge could be transfered -bridge2k(bridge2k); 2003-3-25 {1008} (#1104992@0)

If time is good, why not transfer to IT as couple years ago? It definately give you a higher pay and excellent benifit with satisfactory environment. Esp. when an industry is booming, it will provide a lot of opportunities. As long as you are smart, you can pour into this new area and growing with the booming technology. Usually afer couple years, you be a prefessional. Of cousre, you can be a prefessinal in any area after couple years experience, right?

3 years is short compared with mechnical or chemical engineering. But, the knowledge base, the research ability, the smartness is not something you can get in 3 years.

Up till now, IT is still growing. IT is still not mature as mechnical/chemical engineering industry. It still provide more opportinities, but it is much more challenging than years before.

Obviously if anyone plan to switch to IT from his industry, he should be more confident on his smartness, knowledge transfering, problem management, pressure management, etc, etc..

This is not to argue with you... -engineer(peterpan); 2003-3-25 {1543} (#1105185@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛I agree with you to some extent.

6 years ago when I was still in university. My neighbor was a graduate
of Beijing university in physics. He was a master student in physics
at the univesity. He had a interview with Nortel at that time. But he knew
nothing about C. The night before the interview, he came to my apt. and
I went with him the book: K & R C Programming language. Amazingly,
he remembered eveything I went through with him. He got the job and
excelled in IT bussiness.

I also see some people, after express training in computer science,
pick up the job at the hot time. It is disappointed to see that a Java programmer for internet of several years has no idea how to set up
a home network. Some of them, after passing the steep learning curve,
found there is no effective way to improve the productitity and have little interest in what he/she is doing on daily basis. I also heard some programmers trained by express programs say something like that

"WIndows is good enough, why people keep developing something new
like UNIX and LINUX?"

In long term, good and bad time do not matters that much. I saw many IT
workers lost job they got in the good time. Some companies now are still
hiring top-notched IT professionals.

I agree that IT, as a emerging industry, have more oppportunities that others. I am here not appealing to IT professionals. What I try to is to give
more thought to the non-IT people with background in other areas when
they are wandering.

Thanks for you thoughtful reply.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

it is nice to share some idea with you -bridge2k(bridge2k); 2003-3-25 {1313} (#1105873@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛What I am saying is that every one should make their decision by their own senario. If Canada job market provides good opportunity for non-IT professional, that is great. Not necessary to switch industry at all. But the reality is most non-IT professional immigrants do not have time to go through university and get a job step by step as they did in China. The main concern here is that any China experience is not counted in except that you worked for some world famous company.

Good timing, in my words, I actually mean that IT provided them a good chance, a good start, an area that maybe or partically new to everyone.

I don't think express training will produce professionals. Every professionals are by their own. They learn it by themselves, they upgrage their skills, you may have a strong interest on IT. Without interest and passion, you can only be an average.

Good time do affect lot on individuals. If it was a good time now, more IT guys can find a job easily, isn't it true?

The most important thing I think is that one should do his research, balance his situation, confident and stick on his decision. I believe he will finally get rewards from the life.

Btw, those guys who mentioned windows and Unix are not clear with a fact that Unix is much older and mature than windows.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

IT still growing? -highjumper(sleeping giant); 2003-3-25 {625} (#1105293@0)
There is no doubt that the development of the technology has been substantial in the recent years; however, the IT job market that is tied to the topic here has been declining since the burst of the buble according to the stats. So, by "IT is still growing" do you refer to what?

My understanding of your last paragragh is that you think that smarter, more knowledgable, and so on are the essentials to be admitted into IT sector from any other business sector. What about rocket science in terms of sophistication? What about investment business (future and equity trading) in terms of smartness? and more.

Comments?

sure it is growing -bridge2k(bridge2k); 2003-3-25 {593} (#1105896@0)
if you compared with any other industry. It is actually fast growing althought job market is not good as couple years ago.

Those essentials I think are not only for IT sector, they are for anyone who want to be on the top of his fields. As per the smartness, pls refer to "engineer"'s reply for my previous post. His neighbour is a good example. Since you mentioned investment field, I can give you a real life example. One of my friend is working on futures market in Shanghai. Now he is working for one of the top telcom/IT company in Canada. His job is both technical and managerial.

comment -highjumper(sleeping giant); 2003-3-26 {732} (#1106274@0)
I guess we should have done some frame work before the discussion. In my mind, and probably in the mind of the person who initiate the discussion, North America was the region associated to the topic.

Anyway, I know IT sector is really growing in China, thanks for the counter-cyclical strategies. However, IT sector in North America has been experiencing negative growth for a quite while. This can be confirmed by visiting many websites.

By investment professional, I referred to the people who work in North America such as those who trade on the firm's capital. Major firms in US used to have billions trading revenue each year.

It is good to have some positive input regarding IT industry in the discussion.

Cheers

I didn't get point yet? -farmer(农夫®); 2003-3-25 (#1105015@0)

The POINT is: TO BE CONTINUED. --------Good essay anyway. -simonp(simonp); 2003-3-25 (#1105039@0)

Awesome! Thanks for sharing. -alan01(alan01); 2003-3-26 (#1106576@0)

Hi, good points. I have a simple question for you. Can I get your valuable advise? -janehong(redhair); 2004-3-30 {553} (#1665777@0)

I used to work in a petrochemical plant. After I got a M.Sc in chemical engineering here, I thought it wouldn't be so hard for me to find a job because I not only know the general chemical processes, but also have years of working experience of process equipment plus my two-year Finite element programming and anlysis research experience . When I search jobs in the website, I realize the future is not that bright. Do you by chance know any job information for Non-IT using Fortran to analyze process or products?

again, thank you for sharing.

I didn't see ur point . but anyway , if one has hair , he certainly doesn't wanna be bald . IT people came here at the wrong time . The job market is recovering little by little ... -i0321(wow); 2004-3-30 (#1665869@0)

Same feeling as yours!! WIsh more and more Chinese can meet/support each other in the Canadian mechanical companies. -jiangnandaxia(江南大侠); 2004-3-31 (#1667088@0)

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