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你看了探长先生的分析了吗?还是有一定哲理的。 刚开始看到这名字,还以为是音乐片,因为想起了Beethoven的 Ode to Joy。


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  • 枫下沙龙 / 梦想天空 / [给AVEENO同学] Francis Bacon的卓越文字。你读哪怕一篇吧。请你。
    • [比如: Of Truth] Francis Bacon. (很短,不长,琅琅上口。不需要花很多时间了的。)
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Of Truth


      WHAT is truth? said jesting Pilate, and would not stay for an answer. Certainly there be that delight in giddiness, and count it a bondage to fix a belief; affecting 1 free-will in thinking, as well as in acting. And though the sects of philosophers, of that kind 2 be gone, yet there remain certain discoursing 3 wits which are of the same veins, though there be not so much blood in them as was in those of the ancients. But it is not only the difficulty and labor which men take in finding out of truth, nor again that when it is found it imposeth upon 4 men’s thoughts, that doth bring lies in favor; but a natural though corrupt love of the lie itself. One of the later school 5 of the Grecians examineth the matter and is at a stand to think what should be in it, that men should love lies, where neither they make for pleasure, as with poets, nor for advantage, as with the merchant; but for the lie’s sake. But I cannot tell; this same truth is a naked and open day-light, that doth not show the masks and mummeries and triumphs of the world, half so stately and daintily as candle-lights. Truth may perhaps come to the price of a pearl, that showeth best by day; but it will not rise to the price of a diamond or carbuncle, that showeth best in varied lights. A mixture of a lie doth ever add pleasure. Doth any man doubt, that if there were taken out of men’s minds vain opinions, flattering hopes, false valuations, imaginations as one would, and the like, but it would leave the minds of a number of men poor shrunken things, full of melancholy and indisposition, and unpleasing to themselves? 1
      One of the fathers, in great severity, called poesy vinum dæmonum [devils’-wine], because it filleth the imagination; and yet it is but with the shadow of a lie. But it is not the lie that passeth through the mind, but the lie that sinketh in and settleth in it, that doth the hurt; such as we spake of before. But howsoever these things are thus in men’s depraved judgments and affections, yet truth, which only doth judge itself, teacheth that the inquiry of truth, which is the love-making or wooing of it, the knowledge of truth, which is the presence of it, and the belief of truth, which is the enjoying of it, is the sovereign good of human nature. The first creature of God, in the works of the days, was the light of the sense; the last was the light of reason; and his sabbath work ever since is the illumination of his Spirit. First he breathed light upon the face of the matter or chaos; then he breathed light into the face of man; and still he breatheth and inspireth light into the face of his chosen. The poet 6 that beautified the sect 7 that was otherwise inferior to the rest, saith yet excellently well: It is a pleasure to stand upon the shore and to see ships tossed upon the sea; a pleasure to stand in the window of a castle and to see a battle and the adventures thereof below: but no pleasure is comparable to the standing upon the vantage ground of truth (a hill not to be commanded, and where the air is always clear and serene), and to see the errors and wanderings and mists and tempests in the vale below; so always that this prospect be with pity, and not with swelling or pride. Certainly, it is heaven upon earth, to have a man’s mind move in charity, rest in providence, and turn upon the poles of truth. 2
      To pass from theological and philosophical truth to the truth of civil business; it will be acknowledged even by those that practise it not, that clear and round dealing is the honor of man’s nature; and that mixture of falsehood is like alloy in coin of gold and silver, which may make the metal work the better, but it embaseth it. For these winding and crooked courses are the goings of the serpent; which goeth basely upon the belly, and not upon the feet. There is no vice that doth so cover a man with shame as to be found false and perfidious. And therefore Montaigne saith prettily, when he inquired the reason why the word of the lie should be such a disgrace and such an odious charge. Saith he, If it be well weighed, to say that a man lieth, is as much to say, as that he is brave towards God and a coward towards men. For a lie faces God, and shrinks from man. Surely the wickedness of falsehood and breach of faith cannot possibly be so highly expressed, as in that it shall be the last peal to call the judgments of God upon the generations of men; it being foretold that when Christ cometh, he shall not find faith upon the earth.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 读了,谢谢
      • 谢谢战友。那么现在,你 are able to differentiate Bacon's personality from his artistic phenomena 了?
        • 我的意思是,如果不把作者的个人生活与其卓越的思想分开来看,那么你会错失很多瑰宝:文学上的,哲学上了,。。。上的。。。上的。。。将会是非常可惜的。
          • 人格人品和思想都是属于精神范畴的, 怎么可能分的开? 说能分开的, 都是自欺欺人, 唯心的.
            • SISTER安早。那么因为Bacon的人品极端差,是英国历史上最著名的小人之一,你也不打算读他了? 他对哲学,科学及其英国散文的卓越贡献也不算数了?太极端了吧?
              另外,你看欢乐颂了吗?我本周末将开始第一集,没办法了。LOL。
              • BACON在思想上的成就, 不能取代他是个极品小人这个事实. 人们既不能否定他的成就, 也不会因为这个成就, 就推崇他, 就觉得他伟大. 阿V是从道德的角度看待他, 你从思想的角度看待他, 不矛盾, 也没必要说服. 欢乐颂不值得看.
                • 我的问题是:你会不会因为不喜欢他的人品,而就不看他的作品?呢?你看了欢乐颂,所以感到不值得看。可是为啥那么轰动呢?
                  • 完全可以啊, 取决于自己更看重什么. 用某人在艺术, 学术上, 或者物质上的成就, 来评判这个人的社会价值, 是对道德体系的ABUSE, 不是吗? 道德系统, 之所以存在, 就有它的独立性, 一个没有道德体系的社会, 就是ZOO. 我看了前3集, 看不下去, 就看了最后1集, DONE.
                    • 好吧,我也至少看前三集+最后一集。笑倒了。 上次小小的鸟儿也说了,没有手机与蜗居好看。
                      • 水平太差了. 人物太脸谱化, 除了樊胜美刻画的深刻一些, 有人性挣扎, 其他人物都是惨白的, 没看头. 尤其是那倆特别作的安迪和富二代, 太可PIA了. 尤其是那个富二代, 整个走路的姿势, 就像妈妈桑. 安迪那紧绷着的嘴唇, 国外的CFO都是这样说话的吗?
                        • 答案见内:
                          不是。:)
                          • MARK见内:
                            100% CORRECT. LOL
                            • 应该是见内:
                              100 +。
            • 作品,很大程度上是subjective的;人格,人品,很大程度上是objective的。尤其如果年代遥远,道德体系不清,莫须有的事情太多了,不足以用来影响传世的作品。
              • 作品完全SUBJECTIVE? BACON是带着满脑子的思想, 从娘胎翩翩走来的吗? 人格人品是objective? 婚姻内劈腿, 贪污受贿会因为现在的法制放宽, 就不称为贪污受贿了? 道德体系和社会制度一样, 从来就没有不清, 只有进化. 它不会影响作品, 但作品也无法企图改变道德上的残缺.
                • 有时感到很遗憾。以前一直以为Bacon是一个很正面的光辉的同学,读了他的作品,非常崇拜,崇拜了不短日子之后,才知道他是著名小人之一。当时感到要崩溃了。但最后依旧很喜欢他的作品。为什么那样的人品写得出来那么光辉的具导师品质的作品呢?
                  • 这就是年龄的差距, 我从不怀疑他学术和思想的成就, 我也会因为他的人品和人格唾弃他. 我也不会因为他的成就, 就去美化他, 追捧他. 人, 都有弱点, 和丑陋的一面, 无论他有多高成就, 都无法掩盖和取代.
                    • 我在尽量说服AVEENO同学。
                      • 百花齐放, 百家争鸣好. 这是你毛大伯说. 可以辩论, 不要说服, 这样才能进步. 对吧? 嘻嘻.
                        • 因为战友AVEENO那么智慧的同学,应该与Bacon智慧的文字有撞击,不然是失落。还好。她读了至少一篇。
              • 那些对他道德品质的质疑不是莫须有的,有考证的,但我顶住了考证,依旧是他忠实的粉丝。
                • 你意思, 你把眼睛蒙起来了, 还是把头埋沙子里了? 哈哈
                  • 也许人类有时需要蒙上我们的双眼?有时?目的是为了更深刻地看清楚这个世界?嗯?
                    • 蒙上我们的双眼, 和更深刻地看清楚这个世界, 之间没有什么逻辑关系吧?
                      • 我的看法是:人有时需要退出,需要蒙上双眼,宁静下来,之后再睁开双目,世界因此更清楚。
    • 收藏! 读这里的贴子, 一般只对贴子感兴趣.
      • 这么多年, 获得不少有用的信息, 从来没有和人吵过.
        • 你是谦谦君子。你看了欢乐颂了吗?
          • 看了这名字, 连google一下的兴趣都没.
            • 你看了探长先生的分析了吗?还是有一定哲理的。 刚开始看到这名字,还以为是音乐片,因为想起了Beethoven的 Ode to Joy。
              • 我倒觉得你们上面的讨论蛮深刻的, "就事不就人"相比是个简单的操作.
                • 对Bacon那样,对网友也应该那样,你的意思是?当然,理论上我同意,但是实际上,还需要研究。深入的研究。
    • 不信, 你真的能100% 把人格和作品分开? ~~只能说人格上你SOMEHOW 还是有些同意他~~
      • 对Bacon我做到了,主要是,我崇拜他的作品好久好久了,最后才知道他的人品,而不是反其道,所以,如果我一开始就知道他的人品,还会一开始就崇拜他的作品吗?我也表示怀疑,YOU KNOW。 不过,从他开始,我不再深究名家的人品了,我怕自己受伤,影像对他们作品的欣赏。
        • 嗯, 这个说法我赞同~~~lol
          • 不赞同,好了得。哈。
        • 不是很同意他的看法。另外,我这个年龄已经对别人的思想不是很感兴趣,一般阅读也是因为自己的需求有选择的读。而且,不会花太多的时间阅读,因为更喜欢在实践中领悟。
    • 为什么没有那篇著名的"Of Study"?
      • 50
        • Thank you! Too many Ofs~~~